Interviewee: Li Jie, reporter of Facts.org.cn
1. What kinds of people participate in the work of
xiejiao（destructive cults）prevention in China? Why? Why did you
decide to take up this work?
There are mainly three kinds of people involved in the work of
xiejiao-prevention in China. One is government functionaries.
Starting from 1999, governments at all levels in China have set up
departments for guarding against and handling xiejiao cases, such as
the State Council office for Guarding against xiejiaos and Handling
xiejiao Cases. So have all the provinces (cities, counties). Their
major tasks are: to coordinate the work of all related departments,
carry out investigations and study, strengthen cooperation with
organizations of other countries, protect the basic human rights of
the citizens and protect citizens against harm done by xiejiao.
The second is NGOs, such as China Cultic Studies Association. They
are made up of people of all circles, including religion, law,
journalism, science and technology and volunteers. They aim to help
the general public know how to recognize and keep away from harmful
The third is volunteers, including former members of xiejiaos, their
family members, xiejiao researchers. For instance, Wu Yuxia is a
former Falun Gong practitioner in the city of Shijiazhuang, north
China’s Hebei Province. After she quit the Falun Gong xiejiao, she
wrote a novel “The Dream of Heavenly Kingdom” and has become a
volunteer to help other Falun Gong victims. Another is Shi Xingwang,
who has tracked down the Church of Almighty God, also known as
Eastern Lightening, after his wife came to believe it. He created a
website called “Family of Xiejiao Victims” to provide assistance to
I have come into contract with many xiejiao victims and their family
members, including the family of Wang Jindong, who tried to burn
themselves on the Tian’anmen Square in Beijing on January 23, 2001.
Many of them were originally kind-hearted people, but fell into the
xiejiao trap because they wanted to keep fit and pursue a better
life. But after being brainwashed, they were acting and speaking in
eccentric ways, thus leading to the break of husband-wife
relationship, of families and the death of family members.
Some resorted to self-mutilation and even killing others, bringing
great calamities to families and society. From 2000, I began to take
up of the work of helping xiejiao-members and save a number of
victims. This work is very rewarding as it can help people. Xiejiao-
prevention work is likely to become my life-long cause.
2. How does China understand beliefs and scope of belief? In what
circumstances the law interferes in religious activities?
Article 36 of China’s Constitutions provides: Citizens of the
People's Republic of China enjoy freedom of religious belief. No
state organ, public organization or individual may compel citizens to
believe in, or not to believe in, any religion; nor may they
discriminate against citizens who believe in, or do not believe in,
any religion. The state protects normal religious activities. No one
may make use of religion to engage in activities that disrupt public
order, impair the health of citizens or interfere with the
educational system of the state. Religious bodies and religious
affairs are not subject to any foreign domination.
The state attacks and stops criminal activities that jeopardize state
security and public safety by exploiting religion.
3. How to coordinate state organs and the public in carrying out the
xiejiao prevention work? Apart from the functions of providing
information, what are other functions of social organizations in the
Xiejiao-prevention work needs the participation of all members of the
society. In China, the work is led by the government, with social
organizations as the supplement and the masses as participants. Some
localities have creatively carried out activities of encouraging
families to refuse xiejiaos and creating xiejiao-free communities.
Social organizations are playing a more and more important role. They
release alert information about xiejiao activities, expose xiejiao
deception, provide tips to the people for identifying and guarding
against xiejiaos, and help xiejiao followers get away from them. The
Gulou District of Nanjing City established a people’s organization
called “Love Home”, which has successfully helped more than 50
Falun Gong followers kick the xiejiao. We have also carried out
research and provided information for government departments in their
policy decisions. In addition, we have put up a platform for the
communication between the government and the people.
4. In the present-day, many xiejiaos are international. Have you
exchanged experience and information with Western scholars and social
activists that study xiejiaos? Which country’s xiejiao-prevention
experience are you interested in or you think, are beneficial?
Conversely, what experience does China have to share with Western
As a NRM research website, we are watching closely the developments
of the global NRMs research and translating their information. We are
open to cooperation with any cult research agencies and individuals.
Of course, there are also some victims, experts and scholars who have
contacted us and provided us with useful information and researches.
France has passed a law cracking down on destructive sects. On May
30, 2001, it adopted the About-Picard Law to strengthen the attack
against cult activities. In March 28, 2014, the Fifth District Court
006Ff the State of Utah, USA, passed the ruling, depriving the Mormon
members of their rights as guardians of their children. Former
president of the American Psychologists Association has provided
mental counselling to Falun Gong victims, helping them return to
their families and the society. Russia has designated the “Zhuan
Falun” and other propaganda books as extremist publications. I am
keen on the above subjects, which are worth our borrowing.
5. What other dangerous xiejiaos are there in China apart from Falun
Gong? What troubles they have created? Give me some information about
Falun Gong is the most harmful xiejiao in contemporary China. It has
caused more than 2,000 deaths. From May 25 to June 27, 2003, Falun
Gong follower Chen Fuzhao of Cannan County, Zhejiang Province killed
16 innocent people by using rat killer in order to enhance his
“gong”. At present, Falun Gong is still instigating its followers
not to see the doctor or take medicine when ill, harming the health
of the followers.
The fairly active in recent few years is the xiejiao known as the
Church of Almighty God or Eastern Lightening. Its leader is Zhao
Weishan, who is now in the United States. The xiejiao distorted the
“Bible”, saying that the almighty god is the only real god, which
has incarnated in the image of an oriental woman. They call her
“female Christ’. On December 21, 2012, the xiejiao declared the
“doomsday of the world”. On May 28, 2014, six followers were
publicizing the xiejiao at a MacDonald restaurant in the city of
Zhaoyuan, Shandong Province. They asked a woman customer for her
telephone number. The women refused to give them. They then beat the
woman to death in the presence of the customers. This case shocked
the whole country.
There is another xiejiao, called “Society of Disciples (Mentu
Hui),”, also known as “San-shu Christ”, “Kuangye Zaimen” and
“Mengtou Jiao”. It was founded by a peasant called Ji Sanbao in
Shaanxi Province. He died from a car crash in December 1997. He
professed to be a Christ or “Sanshu”, the incarnation of the god,
using “Sanshu” to replace Christ in the Bible. The Society of
Disciples (Mentu Hui), advocated for doomsday, asserting that there
would be calamities toward the end of the 20th century. People who
refuse to believe him would all die. He asserted that prayer can cure
diseases and urged his followers not to take medicine. He said that
he can make the dead alive. He said that each person eats 100 gram of
grain and it is not necessary to plant crops, as the god would bestow
them with inexhaustible sources of grain. The Mentu Hui deceived
people of their money and property, causing some followers to go mad,
engage in self-mutilation and suicide. Some patients only prayed for
healing and died without going to the hospital.
Other xiejiaos include Supreme master ching hai, Huazang Zongmen,
“Xue-Shui-ShengLing”(Blood, Water and Holy Spirit) and Sanban Puren
6. Are there any more Falun Gong followers in the present-day China?
What is the attitude of Chinese general public toward Falun Gong
Statistics show that there were about 2 million Falun Gong followers
by the end of June 1999, when the Chinese government banned it. Now,
most of them have quit it, leaving about several ten thousand. The
figure is very small as compared with the 1.3 billion people. Falun
Gong has totally lost its market in China. Even pupils of primary
schools know that Falun Gong is a xiejiao.
Falun Gong followers are xiejiao victims. China persists in the
policy of uniting and educating the over-majority of the followers
and punishing by law only a tiny number of crime-committing
followers. The followers who have quit the organization are not
discriminated against in society and are taken good care of by their
families. The daughter of Wang Jindong, who burned himself on the
Tian’anmen Square, has been obsessed with Falun Gong for years. Now
she has returned to a normal life in society and teaches in a
kindergarten. Luo Xiangming, leader of a Falun Gong coaching station
in Quchou County, Hebei Province, returned to a normal life and took
up a job at the county’s Taxation Bureau after quitting Falun Gong.
He has even joined the Communist Party of China.
7. What law-violating activities have Falun Gong followers committed
after it was banned?
The common features of xiejiaos are anti-humanity, anti-social and
anti-science. Li Hongzhi’s Falun Gong is no exception. Part of the
followers have been instigated by Li Hongzhi to embark on the path of
violating the law.
Li Hongzhi professed to be a “world creator”, the “Main Buddha of
the Universe”, harping the illusion of establishing the Falun
Kingdom to rule the world. The Chinese government banned Falun Gong,
making Li Hongzhi unable to realize its scheme. But, he has
instigated his followers to attack the Chinese government. Some
followers have defied the danger to seriously sabotage the law and
order and even instigated people to overthrow the state power.
Some Falun Gong backbone members took advantage of Li Hongzhi’s
doctrine to rape women followers, deceive them of their money and
property and engage in group sex. Du Hongyan, a backbone Falun Gong
follower in Shenyang City deceived other followers of 4.3 million
yuan. Falun Gong follower by the surname of Sun in Huixian County,
Henan Province, raped 17 female followers in the name of “Double
xiejiaoivation of a Man and a Woman” advocated by Li Hongzhi. Part
of the Falun Gong followers put into action what Li Hongzhi said in
Lecture Five “Double xiejiaoivation of a Man and a Woman” and
organized group sex. In recent years, the police on the Chinese
mainland have uncovered a number of group sex cases of Falun Gong
Some Falun Gong followers, induced by Li Hongzhi’s “driving away
demons” and “salvaging people”, adopted cruel methods to kill
people to the ignorance of human rights. According to statistics
compiled by web pal “Bai Yi Zi”, by the end of July 2009, Falun
Gong followers killed 53 people and disabled 28 others. On April 7,
2008, Falun Gong followers Wang Haipeng Yu Xuewei, Gao Hongqing and
Jin Mingdong in the city of Changchun, Jilin Province, mauled their
fellow follower Xiao Rong to death in the name of driving away
demons. They violently kicked the head of Xiao with slippers and used
steel needles, boiled water and ice blocks and other extremist
methods, breaking six his ribs, the liver, the kidney and the lungs.