发信人: Meimeimama (Meimeimama), 信区: MedicalCareer
标 题: True story in match season (88er's, not 99er's)-what I found out afterwards...
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Mon Apr 20 20:48:42 2009)
I did not write any match experience until now, because I am still feeling
the whole matching process is very complicated-the whole thing.And I do not
know what exactly I learn, and how to do it better if say I have to do it
again. So here is the story, and that is what I can share.
Home hospital (university program-big size) where I work at, did not send me
interview. I went in talk with PD, Coordiator, only put me on waiting list;
then went in talk with chair, he told me that minimal score (not on the
internet) for old graduate is 92. I was intimidated, so did not pursue
further to ask my references (all big MDs in the hospital) to convince him
or the PD.
After match result, I worked with another department (department chief was
recently hired to replace the retire-to-be chairman), and found out that 3
IMGs in that department got interview. One from indian (male, fresh
graduates), has same score as mine, one from Parkinstain (male, 5 yrs
postgrad, 3rd time match), failed one attempt, not very good score, one from
Romania (female, used to be surgeon), scores in 82ers.At the end, the
Romania girl got match only (she is clearly old IMG too, and full-time
employee), and the other two did not match, because the PD promised
department chief for one spot only.The other two males were part-time
And I learn that I did not get the interview for a reason, but I did not
feel bad about my score anymore (I still run into the chair all the time). I
wonder if I pressured my reference, would I get interview; if I get
interview, would I get in at all; if my connection is not as strong as the
others. Nobody knows, really.
I was invited by this program for interview, it is a top university program,
first I believed that they sent me the interview by a mistake.scrutwork
commends "you feel like heaven if you get into this program"; however, only
1 FMG per year.
Stay in a very luxury hotel (free hotel and free shuttle service),
preinterview dinner, big table full-course lunch with 20ish residents.
All the faculty are very nice, I impressed chairman in the morning report
without making any mistake (he took a peak on my name tag). PD talked in my
perspective all the time, like she doesnot know whether it is difficult for
old FMG got license, like she asked whether a preliminary year will be
helpful for me to be the top student to get in he/on fellowship later, since
it is very top program (I wondered-why did they invite me then?). however,
I kept the routine going by saying that it is not necessary, during my
observeship-blahblah, but I can start a few months earlier...
PD from he/on is very nice, and I talked about his research work, and my
research work, how promising the future is...he was impressed, and he went
overtime until people called it out.
Another faculty is extremely nice, she loved my story about my dream, and my
passion of this career, and my courage came to USA and pursure my career. I
felt like knowing her already. She sent me a letter to my home address to
thank me in person to sharing my story with her.
All of them close up the interviews with "you are the person we are looking
for..." And they responded with my holiday emails and blahblah...
It is strange that even all the signs showing positive, I do not feel like
positive at all. So I was very confused myself, and was tortured in the
meantime. At the end, I still put this dream program on the first in my
ranking list, it is more like I want to know the answer of what lessons I
can learn about this american culture, instead of whether I will be ranked
by the program, even though our family really didnot want to relocate there.
And the answer was no, I didnot get ranked there, so it was all nice
superficial conversations-that is all. I am just amazed how nice people can
fake it (am I right?). But at least it was positive experience and helped me
My matched program:
The last in my interview list, early february. Good location. I was
terriblely sick that I lost my voice, so I used ocp pills every 2hrs to keep
Very lucky to meet a great chinese chief (sorry, I am not mentioning the
name-youknowwho!) there,and he was so smart and he knew PD really well.
After very general talk, we talked in Chinese for 1 min, he said if you want
to impress the PD,1,2,3...I was so shocked that he was so direct with me,
and really really helped me out. And when I went in to talk with PD (胸有成
竹), she basically followed exactly topics as 1,2,3...So that was a great
talk. And she said right then that she has not formed a ranking list yet,
but she will definetely rank me. After a week, I followed the chinese chief'
s suggestion to ask my reference to call the program. I only asked him to
call one program for me ( I felt like it is wield to ask him to call and
check in multiple programs).He called and got back to me a message from PD,
she said among the 40 CMGs she interviewed, she likes me the most, and then
he simply said: I agree.
So that is.
But I have to say to the chief, without your generous help, who knows what
would be the outcomes instead? Thanks again-you are the man!
I felt there is help everywhere, esp from our blood brothers and sisters,
here in this forum...And that is the hope for a big picture for all of us...
And also thank my reference, he is such a wonderful generous person. And I
However, there are 3 ivs I basically can feel my credentials are better than
most of the other co-interviewers, and that tells me something. When I
talked to one of the PD, I went straight and asked him when he is going to
give out prematch blahblah, and he said maybe next week. However, I didnot
like the places, so I didnot try to push a prematch at all. On the other
hand, now think about it, I would have done it, if I didnot have better
places lined up. Luckily I didnot end up there.
Some other programs are just mean, and not very helpful, picking on details.
(like one APD talked to all the interviews about 30 min without any eye
contact, he was looking at the floor or maybe the table-I really like the
program's big name, location and a lot of chinese patients, but I didnot
like the people there.) Not very pleasant. When that happened, I told myself
this must be a test to see how much you can be pushed,otherwise why?
And thank for the PD to appreciate who I am.
All right-here is my 2 cents. At this piont, I am very very happy. And wish
more and more brothers and sisters get through the pass.
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发信人: clamchowder (DDD), 信区: MedicalCareer
标 题: Re: True story in match season (88er's, not 99er's)-what I
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Mon Apr 20 22:21:55 2009)
Thank you very much for sharing this with us. I do feel your frustration and
confusion. They're not faking anything and they're just trying to be nice.
Nobody wants to be yelled at 'we'll not rank you', right?
For most 'top programs', they probably already have ranked everyone even
before interviewing (or at least have some rough idea). Said that, no matter
how 'superb' your interview skills or English is, you barely can change
anything about where you are on the rank list. However, screw up is very
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying interview is not important. I'm saying
don't get fooled by your 'feeling'. I've seen this happened many many times
on many many applicants here in mitbbs.
Then what's really a good sign that you can rely on (million dollar Q)?
1. call from PD or faculty member or even chief residents / residents AFTER
the interview or right before the ranking deadline; they'll tell you
whether or how you would be ranked if they want to. (still they may 'fake'
2. personal but not generic feedbacks from the program you have interviewed.
Theoretically, 'top programs' usually will not send 'we'll rank you high'
emails to everyone. (very vague and can't trust).
3. Gut feeling. On the interview day, you may feel 'I can get in'. Like, how
you're treated? Do they ask add several faculty members (who are not on
your itinerary) for you to talk to? Then that's it. (however, not for
everyone. someone may be too confident)
4. Take it easy. 命里有时终须有
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