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wzxm: 我关于申请美国医学院的一点想法
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发信人: wzxm (蚊子凶猛), 信区: MedicalCareer
标 题: Re: 关于在已经在美国留学想转道MD学习的一点想法。不知是否可行
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Wed Mar 11 06:49:11 2009)

很能理解你现在的心情,刚开始的时候,特别是要下决心的时候,很复杂。有点象信某
某宗教,信某某主义,要过坎,这么说听上去挺玄,挺扯淡,但是作为国际学生,中国
人,一开始确实挺难的,我经历过你现在类似的心情,能体会。在刚开始曾有将近一年
的时间,人象着了魔,所谓“不惜一切当医生的决心”,所谓“不疯魔,不成活”,现
在回头来看,有些“左”了,回头看当时写的日记,有些地方比较幼稚。但是一定要经
历这么一段,你说雄心万丈也好,你说激情澎湃也好,因为我们面对的,是非常难的门
槛,以及入门以后非常广阔的图景。

身份,实力,资金

每次来pre-med,我都会提这三座大山。这里头,最关键的还是实力,最后说。

你想用护士这条路解决身份和部分资金,我对美国的护士行业不了解,但仍认为不可取。
你说你硕士马上毕业,我假设你25岁。对于我们这种过了25的pre-med,一方面要“
不惜一切”,包括年龄和时间,要问自己,35岁考上医学院,或者40岁拿到MD毕业开始
作住院,自己,家人,能不能接受;但是另一方面,事实是我们毕竟年纪不小了,要知
道北美医学院平均入学年龄是23岁,所以我们在具体战术上要灵活。如果你是个17岁花
季的孩子,哪怕你还在国内,没有钱,我都会有另一套建议。

如果你一点pre-med的课都没上过,那么我不管你借助什么来代替,你至少要2年。如
果你读护士本科,那要四年,读护理diploma,我算你2年;然后毕业工作,MCAT这些东
西都好说,关键是绿卡。我对绿卡一窍不通,听说是5-8年,你确定你要等7-10年以
后,真的35岁的时候,拿着绿卡去考美国的医学院?如果你能接受,恭喜你,你的决心
很大,愿力很强,如果你的家人能接受,祝贺你,你很幸运,但问题是,有没有必要?
或者说,你最终的目的是什么?是作医生,是 在美国 作医生,还是 拿着美国医学院
的MD 在美国 作医生? 前面的修饰语越多,你要满足的条件,付出的代价也就越多。

如果你非美国医学院不上,那不好意思,我没什么建议了。我只讲一个故事,去年听来
的。老爷子大出血,却让大夫保守治疗,医生问为什么,老人说马上要出国,去美国,
医生问能不能等一等,老人说不能,女儿40岁,德州某医学院毕业,MD,毕业典礼,他
一定要参加,女儿到现在没有男朋友。。。这虽然是听来,但是个真事。我当时听了以
后,挺凄凉,有些想家,呵呵。

如果你的底线是作医生。下面只是我个人的一面之词,算是个参考。

先说最不重要的:资金。不要惦记着自己“cover部分学费”,想都不要想,不要让这
个念头成为你要读护士的一个原因。因为 1)有个成语叫杯水车薪 2)真要能考上医学
院,不用担心,从生活费借到学杂费,都不要紧,以后一定能还上,而且不用一二十年
的还。

次说身份。国际学生能不能考北美医学院?能。有没有考上的,有。但是太少了,不能
光指着这一条路。2006年,美国一共给295个考上MD的国际学生发放了签证,我猜这里
头少说200个加拿大的。但是美国绿卡的难度,我听说的,不比考医学院的难度小,至
少从时间上。难 X 难 = 难上加难。愚公应该搬家还是移山?精卫应该投胎还是填海
?夸父应该追MM还是逐日?如果我没记错,《列子》里这三则故事的原意是指人不自量
力,不识时务。兵法上讲,正不能取,出奇制胜。如果有办法,可以绕过绿卡,甚至绕
过美国医学院,缩短时间,减小难度,仍然能够作医生,而且仍然有可能在美国作医生
,你干不干?这个地球上,不光美国一家开英文授课的医学院,还有加拿大,澳大利亚
,新西兰,加勒比海,爱尔兰,英国,新加坡。。。这个地球上,不光美国一个移民国
家;这个世界上,不光美国一家对医生这个职业很尊敬很优厚,或者我换个说法,这个
世界上,大约只有中国一家对医生这个职业很仇视很微薄。所以说,身份是问题,绿卡
不是问题;医学院是问题,美国不是问题。你可以花8-10年考美国的医学院,很了不
起的成就,你也可以花8-10年考美国的住院医,可能是加勒比的MD,至少在我眼里,
同样了不起。

我说这些,不是不让你考美国的医学院了。而是给你提个醒,眼界放开一点,世界这么
大,条条道路通罗马,只要它通,对我来说就是大路,好路。人在树立理想,坚定决心
的时候,要就高,要往高走,人在寻找途径,解决困难的时候,要就低,要往脚下看。
我给你说的,不是放下一个,再捡一个,而是多敲几扇门。全世界范围内的申请医学院
,要比全美范围内的申请医学院,可能性大的多,这不是我说的,这是概率说的。

最后说最重要的,实力。医学院看两点,硬件,软件。硬件:学习能力,学术能力,用
来保证你能顺利的通过MD,以及以后漫长的临床训练。硬件看什么,conventionally
GPA+MCAT。软件:素质,品德。这个东西没法量化,两道关卡,一是你申请时候个人
经历里非学术的部分,随便找个MD的网页,录取标准里都有要求,二是面试,是骡子是
马,拉出来遛遛。

所以要我说,不要苦恼,至少不要为身份和资金,而是在提高自己的软硬实力上花心思,
下工夫。再读书,不管是什么项目,二本也好,diploma也好,grad也好,把GPA搞上
去。MCAT根据自己的情况,安排好,40+整不了,35以上还是可为的。个人经历,我举
个例子,传说中版上一位前辈叫extensor,她看到很多美国小孩,从初高中就有意识的
参加volunteer,社区服务,这一点我们比硬件都差,她专门拿一年做义工,每天4-
6 hrs,just like a job,最后有1000+小时的volunteer + shadow。再往远了说,你
的英语水平怎么样,你的发音如何,你的交流能力如何,你能不能和一个陌生人聊上天。
这些东西,是实在的,是慢功夫,点点滴滴每一天。却也正是乐趣所在。甚至再往远
了说,你的身体怎么样,要是再苦恼,还不如去锻炼,这也是“本钱”,呵呵。难怪北
美的医学院都在挑超人+圣人。

开始,pre-med是梦想,后来,pre-med是决心,再后来,pre-med是生活方式。

不知不觉写了好多,和lz,版上各位pre-med,我自己,共勉。

P.S. "这是我最后一次能改变自己命运的机会。"

never say things like that my friend. 命运不是用来“改变”的,命运是用来“书
写”的。

只要人活着,就没有“最后一次”这种东西。就算考不上医学院,做不成医生,也不是
不能成功,不能幸福了。好几次我以为我完了,结果我还在这里,还有“做梦”的机会
,好几次我以为我赢了,结果却竹篮打水,两手空空。活着,就是底线,活着,就是机
会。希望“医生”对你来说不仅是一个目标,一副图画,而是一种切实的提高,从心态
到能力,那样的话,你在过程中已经收获了,已经“赢”了。

不能再说了,再说真的成某法某教了,太扯淡了,呵呵。大实话的版本就是,脑袋活点
,多个心眼,平时该干嘛干嘛,没事儿别瞎琢磨 =)
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1   [DrNewbie 于 2010-11-07 00:15:35 提到] [FROM: 98.]


力刀评注:

这是个很有趣的案例,在住院医生面试时时有发生和遇到或类似的场景。这种情况
的应对常常是面试者有意无意地从你反应回答、面部和BODY语言来考察你的反应能
力和个性特点及成熟的素质。表现得好和应答从容合适到位可以让面试者大为开心
或对你留下深刻良好印象,你就得了高分;而相反,应答错误或不当,轻的引起对
方不快或疑虑,严重的,可以说立即被面试者在心里判了死刑--你出局了!

这个CMG提出了个很好得问题,在我所印的下列讨论里,ChiUSMD和Dojo的发言非常
出色,值得大家认真思考和进一步充分讨论,学习提高自己的面试及对这样问题得
脑筋急转弯能力,以及自己的为人处事成熟能力培养。

值得指出的是:那个在麦地喋喋不休到处卖弄她的所谓“英语”并爱好给人改错的
蠢人的发言更充分地反映出其愚蠢和无知,她的所谓良好英语在她的愚蠢脑袋支配
下成了砸她自己脚的石头。此人在麦地已经贩卖了无数的垃圾和错误得东西。我实
在无法忍受这种蠢人无休无止地误导CMG,所以不惜大开杀戒痛砍此ID,得罪了麦地
版规和版主。

说来是坏事,但这也成就了俱乐部的诞生,这里不会再有这种苍蝇和垃圾的泛滥横
行而不受制止。

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发信人: kaye ([email protected][email protected]~埋底海豚~热爱游泳), 信区: MedicalCareer
标 题: [合集] 面试碰到的尴尬事
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Tue Nov 2 02:42:11 2010, 美东)


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ZXCVBNMWUJI (无极) 于 (Sun Oct 31 22:38:21 2010, 美东) 提到:

面试碰到的尴尬事:

我的第一个面试的一个面试官是一个看上去很和蔼的老先生,进去后他一上来就笑眯眯
的问,你是怎么认识Dr.XXX的?Dr.XXX是我到美国后的第一个老板。我说,您认识他?
他微笑地点头,说Dr.XXX跟他一起在XXX做的resident。我于是精神为之一振,把我当初
出国如何联系Dr.XXX到他那儿做POSTDOC给绘声绘色了一遍,末了还加了一句类似“He
is the nicest person I've ever met.”之类的评论。面试官耐心听我说完,然后仍
然笑眯眯地说:“Well, I was not getting along with him very well at that
time.”然后就是blah blah blah blah.我当场差点晕倒。

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DrNewbie (NN) 于 (Sun Oct 31 23:33:50 2010, 美东) 提到:

You could have said back, Ohh, he must have changed quite a bit.
Or he only gets along well with suck-ups. I jam him up real good.

【 在 ZXCVBNMWUJI (无极) 的大作中提到: 】

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fionaww (加州无鱼) 于 (Mon Nov 1 00:00:52 2010, 美东) 提到:

第一句还好,第二句就不行啦。万一人家说,感情你是suck-up阿,不然人家怎么看上
你,把你从国内招来呢?不更晕倒了?


【 在 DrNewbie (NN) 的大作中提到: 】
: You could have said, Ohh, he must have changed quite a bit.
: Or he only gets along well with suck-ups.

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DrNewbie (NN) 于 (Mon Nov 1 00:03:49 2010, 美东) 提到:

hehehehe.

Third one: Am I such a charming person that I get along so well with him? Or Am I personable that we get along so well.

Fourth one: You should be happy with my people skills now right? Since I can get along with this snob.

If you love my answers and you get my sick humor, please join my club:

Pre_resident_english_corner.

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DrNewbie (NN) 于 (Mon Nov 1 01:25:54 2010, 美东) 提到:

The rest are for professionals only. No imitation by amateurs.
The 1st is witty. The 2nd is humor.


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dojo (麦地里的豆角) 于 (Mon Nov 1 20:34:37 2010, 美东) 提到:

楼上大哥,你是来搞笑的还是来做广告的?你的这些自以为幽默的答案不是too judgemental ("he must"...lol) 就是自我吹捧。

这个情况下,面试官故意不在开始的时候就说合不来,而是在等楼主说了一大堆以后才
说,其实就是想看楼主遇到尴尬时的反应。象楼上大哥这种回答,把球踢回去,反让面
试官尴尬,我以为不好。我的建议是回答"oh, sorry to hear about that" 就行了,
最多再加一句"I don't know why he treats you and me differently",把这话题带
过就得了。Dr.XXX或者任何一个普通人都不可能跟所有人都合得来,这本是正常现象,
何须画蛇添足

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ChiUSMD (治病救热) 于 (Mon Nov 1 20:56:20 2010, 美东) 提到:

I agree. I assume you are a cute girl, and probably got a high remark from
him, otherwise he won't say this political incorrect thing. Go back ask your
boss whatever he said is true or not, then Send him a nice followup email
and make up something 拍一下马屁.

if your boss can send him a short email, 100% you are in or prematched.
My personal experience you will be ranked very high by that program. 美国人的尊师是骨子里的

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sfkitty (meow) 于 (Mon Nov 1 21:12:16 2010, 美东) 提到:

这真的是个需要脑筋急转弯的问题,我觉得理想的答案是结合NN和豆角的智慧。“sorry to hear that" ,加上适当的表情(让面试官觉得你的确 feel sorry about it, 而不是随口说说),再加上 “well, I guess he must have changed a lot“, 然后以一个beautiful smile to wrap it up。



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dojo (麦地里的豆角) 于 (Mon Nov 1 21:28:20 2010, 美东) 提到:

对的,表情要搭上。但这个must就免了,我对NN第一个答案不满意的就是这个must,显
得好象你多知道Dr.XXX的过去似的。你用"I guess"就对了。

说到底,我觉得这个回马枪问题固然尴尬,但老实应对,或者就是尴尬在那儿傻笑没有
答案,也比表现出自大和judgmental要好,这些性格可是要命的。尤其在正式面试问答
的时候,玩幽默是玩火。

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kaye ([email protected][email protected]~埋底海豚~热爱游泳) 于 (Mon Nov 1 23:09:01 2010, 美东) 提到:


dojo(豆角)和chiusmd的分析都很有道理,谢谢!
个人认为是这个问题的正解吧。

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ChiUSMD (治病救热) 于 (Mon Nov 1 23:45:44 2010, 美东) 提到:

The old people always have some 童心,he tried to say "got you", just be his
way and do something satisfy his joke. Now matter how smart you are, just
pretend "he got you".

"oops" then smile, or slightly 夸张一下,any other words might turn the
table completely opposite.
American would anwer: "you are good" or "you got me".

在中国,就自罚杯酒。
中美情况差不多,就是不能充大拿。
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1 [DrNewbie 于 2010-11-02 14:27:31 提到][删除][修改]
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Does it matter whether he has changed or not? NO! The best way is to switch gears right away with a neutral, courteous comment. 'Sorry to hear that' is NOT nice at all. Either is 'u got me'. You really have no idea what happened between these two. Could be something nasty. Or his reply could be just a joke. Either way, it is best not to get involved. Along this line, there is no reason to be 'SINCERELY' sorry for it. The 'sorry' line can be interpreted in a bad way: 'You are sorry because I am an ass?'. Better say something neutral without offending either side. 'You got it' works only when he was really joking. What if he was serious? It would be even more awkward.

There isnt any good answer for this awkward situation. Only an immature person would give you a hard time like this. If a person reply in a courteous way, he wins votes. My answer shows integrity, honor and wit. It wins respects from others. The best dealing with this situation is a polite short answer and a quick switch to other topics.

The beauty of my reply is that it does NOT offend either party. Of course, the tone and your body language determines how the msg is delivered and how it will be received. It is saying I dont know his past. All I know he is the nicest person. If what you said about him is true that he was hard to get along, he is very nice now.

'"I don't know why he treats you and me differently" could be taken as very offensive. Right? 'It is because I am an ass?'


2-4 are for laughs only. Hope everyone here knows when to chuckle on a joke. For the people who cant figure out when a joke is told. Here are some clues: suck-ups, jam-up, snob.

All you can brag is how other people drooling over your job. How pathetic.

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4 [DrNewbie 于 2010-11-02 13:44:06 提到]
Ur foul mouth cost your job already. You just never learn. You will lose
your job again if you dont know when to hold back your filthy mouth.


You can only take pleasure in getting even by your bragging how the wife of
the boss who fired you left him. You are just plain sick.


BECAUSE YOU HAVE WRITTEN ABOUT THESE FACTS ON PUBLIC WEB SITES, YOU HAVE FORFEITED YOUR PRIVACY.

You are nobody compared with your peers.

Even a monkey can get a score of 50 by throwing darts on a board. So you
think you are smart with scores of 70s? You just got lucky. Period.
Nothing to be proud of.

Talk to anyone who got scores of 70s and ask them whether you just got lucky
or it just doesnt matter. Dont use one case to counter me. Lets talk
about trend or stats.

Your numerous scum filled posts have been deleted by BanZhu. You were so
out of line that even BanZhu was ashamed of you and deleted your mean post
about your ex-boss right after you posted it.

There are many precedents of accomplished people turning into monsters in
their senior years When you were biting every bystander on the street, I
suddenly realized its not me, it is you.

Yes, there are plenty of very smart yet generous, decent people here.

They shoot for much higher goal than you. With your lousy 70s score, no
wonder the best advice you gave to them is to take the less satisfying
prematch. Because you could only get lucky once.

So stop misleading people by using you as an example.

To exclude me from getting info on the medi board, you tried to drag
everyone into ur private club. It just shows how childish you are. Only a
sick person would devise such an evil plan. Even your buddies think you
have gone too far and opened ur private club for public viewing.

You are just a plain sick old man.

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4 [snowfox01 于 2010-11-02 17:25:32 提到] [FROM: 134.74.]
Dr.Newbie:Please be nice to this old man。
难道你没看见你把他生命中唯一的支柱----收集各种贴子,然后大言不惭的copy&post 到自己的网页。给打碎了。同时,他在麦地的“一手遮天” 用那二十年前的狗屁经验来误导新人,也让你给揭穿了。我能理解他的恼羞成怒。他也没几天了,就让他乐呵乐呵吧。

他的英语很好。中国人特别是我们河南人一听就懂。 像“welcome u join my club" 和his is a very unique 8-gua I enjoy to read”还有“I'm sure there you will get more benefits=我坚信在这里你将得到更多的好处。”多么容易的“直”译呀
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5 [DrNewbie 于 2010-11-02 23:00:52 提到]

His best English is:

Bless the God. No wonder people call him the GodFather.
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1 [DrNewbie 于 2010-11-06 04:15:20 提到][删除][修改] [FROM: 98.119.]
This is taken from USMedEdu's blog, NOT from his private club. After USMedEdu had made the nasty comments, people consulted a few people and below are some answers confirming that DrNewbie's response is good. Others are NOT appropriate.

发信人: daisyy (Daisy), 信区: Pre_Resident_Club
标 题: Re: 无极: 住院医生面试碰到的尴尬事( 力刀评注推荐及麦地网友
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Fri Nov 5 11:38:39 2010, 美东)

我在英语论坛问了一下这个问题。 这是我得到的回复。看来说‘Oops, you got me.' ‘I'm
sorry to hear that.'都不是很好。

Dojo 曾经建议过加上 I guess 到 he must have changed 可能是比较好的。

BTW, I don't want to see my threads on this one to be appeared in the
MedicalCareer Board. Thanks.

Well, this is a bit tricky because it's not just a language question,
you're also asking how the situation should be interpreted (which is
difficult to do if you weren't present) and how to respond in a
difficult situation (which can be awkward even in your native language).

Option 1) I would think the old gentleman rather strange if this was
what he was doing, but who knows? In any case, I wouldn't reply "oops,
you got me", as you probably don't really want to say to him "I think
you just tried to trap me in an awkward situation", even if that was in
fact what he was indeed trying to do. It also may sound as though you
were just pretending to like the advisor, whereas in fact you are now
acknowledging that he is unlikeable.

Option 2) Possible, but it sounds a bit strange. You're more likely to
say "I'm sorry to hear that" if you hear that someone has died, or some
other unfortunate event has occurred.

Option 3) ‘I guess he must have changed.' --Probably the best of your
suggestions, in my opinion - you are sticking by your original opinion
of the advisor, whilst acknowledging that the old man might have had a
different experience. It is a good, diplomatic response.




发信人: dojo (麦地里的豆角), 信区: Pre_Resident_Club
标 题: Re: 无极: 住院医生面试碰到的尴尬事( 力刀评注推荐及麦地网友讨论
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Fri Nov 5 13:11:12 2010, 美东)

这样,我早上发信给我的consultant问了。她以前是某著名医学院招生委员会成员,也
曾面人无数,现在提供收费咨询服务。她的答案应该算权威了。的确 sorry to hear
that 虽然不只是用在死了人的时候,但有点负面,她的这句话应该是最合适的。

> I have another random question. During interviews, sometimes the
> >interviewer came up with a follow-up question that put me in an awkward
> >position, and I'm not exactly sure what's the best way to answer. For
> >example, one interviewer would ask with a smile "How did you meet Dr. X
> >(one of my advisers)? I knew him because we cooperated many years ago."
> >I'm of course happy that there is a connection, so I would describe my
> >encounter with Dr. X in great detail, and say something like Dr. X is
> >the nicest person I've ever met. But then the interviewer would
> >follow-up, still with a smile, and say "actually, I was not getting
> >along with him very well at that time." What shall I say in this awkward
> >situation? Shall I try to sympathize with him and say "sorry to hear
> >that, I don't why he treated you and me differently"? Or shall I
> >reaffirm my position and say "he must have changed a lot"? Or shall I
> >just downplay and say "you got me"?

I think the best way to deal with it is to just say something like "I'm
sorry you had that experience." Nothing more is indicated. But, it's
very odd for an interviewer to put you on the spot like that. Shows poor
interviewing skills on his/her part.

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If you ask you your consultant that you want to reaffirm your position, of course it is not very appropriate. But if you say it in a way that it serves only as a topic switching comment and in a non-confrontational fashion, it is actually a better choice. The 'changed' line is not intended to argue about his boss' character. It is not relevant to his IV, and not worth debating about.

See below from someone else:
"Option 3)
‘I guess he must have changed.' --Probably the best of your
suggestions, in my opinion - you are sticking by your original opinion
of the advisor, whilst acknowledging that the old man might have had a
different experience. It is a good, diplomatic response.".
-----DrNewbie.
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发信人: fionaww (加州无鱼), 信区: Pre_Resident_Club
标 题: Re: 无极: 住院医生面试碰到的尴尬事( 力刀评注推荐及麦地网友讨论
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Fri Nov 5 23:46:18 2010, 美东)

hehe, actually I just talked with my attendings today too and got the same comment.

Just simply say:" I am sorry to hear that. I didn't know you had that
experience with him." Because the interviewee already pushed himself to the
corner, don't say more except simply acknowledging the fact.

2 [DrNewbie 于 2010-11-03 23:04:34 提到][删除][修改] [FROM: 98.119.]
REPLY TO THE ATTACHED COMMENT.

"Must" is perfect here. "May" is NOT.

Would anyone use suck-ups, jam-up in a formal interview as in Joke #2? Would this be a clue that it is a joke? Would anyone use snob in Joke #4? A good joke teller does not start with Hey, I am telling you a joke?

The 'Sorry' line could be interpreted in the wrong way. It is Not like you say sorry when some1 is sick.

Your 'I dont know why he treats us differently' is clearly very OFFENSIVE. It insinuated that the interviewer is an ass cause the Boss is the nicest person in the whole world, right? It is so pathetic that your answer is so appreciated by the MadDoc and put on the front page for people to spit at. Have u noticed that Not a single person responded to the MadDoc's comment? Why? So many people hate me to their guts. Why nobody jumped out and LOLed like you? Simple! Cause your answer is offensive.

Read my reply please before you comment. MadDoc initially made the club private. Only under the protests from some righteous people who think he has gone too far, he made it public a few days later.

Because I use 'real world' examples for English writing practice, a private English club is best suited for this purpose. If you didnt know, a couple of thugs on medi routinely harassed me for correcting their English. Btw, your English is superb. Thats why I thought you would want to help us. But you refused. I am truly sorry for this.

Some people get dark humors. Some dont. It is just a matter of personal tastes. Yes, many did think it was funny.

Clearly, you have got the bad influence from MadDoc. You had a very lousy attitude with your LOLs towards my posts. You are smart enough to have got into a medical school. But your lack of manners will hurt your personal and professional life. Doc is a prime example. Hope you dont follow his path.
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2 [dojo 于 2010-11-03 22:31:32 提到][删除] [FROM: 71.163.]
Okay, now you say #2-4 are for laughs only, why didn't you say that in your originial post? You could see that fionaww challenged your #2 answer, but you did not tell her you were kidding. Instead you gave two more answers "for laughs", but did any one actually laugh in that thread, before I responded? Your humor is really sick.

I made it clear that your #1 answer is fine except that you shall not say "must". "Maybe he has changed a lot" is an okay answer, but how could you use "must"?

Your comment on my "sorry to hear that" shows that you don't even understand what "sorry" means here. It is a very common, sympathetic response to any kind of misfortune. If you ever tried to describe something unfortunate in your life to an American, you should have heard this sentence before. The sympathetic American saying this would never ever think that he is sorry because you are an ass. Your thinking is ridiculous.

Finally, your conspiracy theory "To exclude me ... you tried to drag everyone into ur private club" really makes me sick, even though I was never a fan of Lao Dao. Lao Dao's club is PUBLIC, everyone in the world can read it, and I joined it on my own without Lao Dao's any email. YOUR club is PRIVATE, and YOU sent me email twice to try to drag me into ur club.
 
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