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发信人: babysteps (麦地脚印), 信区: MedicalCareer
标 题: [premed] hospice 志愿者训练 (1)
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Mon Aug 4 03:47:08 2008)

此帖仅代表个人意见。我也没有任何医疗经验。请大家轻拍!

开始决定参加hospice training 大约是在几个月以前。在某个医学院学生的blog上看
到她的导师推荐hospice volunteer. 原因是在将来的入学面试中,你很难说服别人你
由于几天的shadowing, 就决定做医生了。hospice volunteer却不太一样。

我把hospic翻译成临终关怀。现在hospice 被medicare cover. 一般cover被两个医生确认生命在六个月之内的垂危病人,并决定放弃agressive的治疗。 Hospice care的目的是减少病人的痛苦,提高病人的生活质量,让病人在安详中离开。

知道hospice的含义后就很感兴趣。几个原因 (1)因为准备考医学院,必须要一些志
愿者的经历。(2)更重要的是我觉得照顾临终的老人很有意义。(3)一直担心
将来会一个人孤独的在养老院里死去。总想多生几个宝宝,也希望老公能比
自己活的久...爸爸在是医生。他退休后现在在国内一个养老院工作。去那儿工作
以后爸爸就决定将来绝对不去养老院生活,要和我和我老公一起住... 所以很想去看看美
国老人或临终病人的情况。(4)有几位朋友的父母在最近几年得了重病,我常常不知
道怎么安慰她们。这也是个好机会可以学习学习交流的技巧。

于是就google了一把,找到了现在的公司。公司的volunteer manager很快就给我寄了
一个大信封。里面有confidentiality form, TB test form, 两个推荐人的表格,
drive license & drive insurance etc. 并且通知了我志愿者培训的时间。我找到两
位朋友做推荐人。


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1   [DrNewbie 于 2010-11-03 22:03:28 提到] [FROM: 71.]


力刀评注:

这是个很有趣的案例,在住院医生面试时时有发生和遇到或类似的场景。这种情况
的应对常常是面试者有意无意地从你反应回答、面部和BODY语言来考察你的反应能
力和个性特点及成熟的素质。表现得好和应答从容合适到位可以让面试者大为开心
或对你留下深刻良好印象,你就得了高分;而相反,应答错误或不当,轻的引起对
方不快或疑虑,严重的,可以说立即被面试者在心里判了死刑--你出局了!

这个CMG提出了个很好得问题,在我所印的下列讨论里,ChiUSMD和Dojo的发言非常
出色,值得大家认真思考和进一步充分讨论,学习提高自己的面试及对这样问题得
脑筋急转弯能力,以及自己的为人处事成熟能力培养。

值得指出的是:那个在麦地喋喋不休到处卖弄她的所谓“英语”并爱好给人改错的
蠢人的发言更充分地反映出其愚蠢和无知,她的所谓良好英语在她的愚蠢脑袋支配
下成了砸她自己脚的石头。此人在麦地已经贩卖了无数的垃圾和错误得东西。我实
在无法忍受这种蠢人无休无止地误导CMG,所以不惜大开杀戒痛砍此ID,得罪了麦地
版规和版主。

说来是坏事,但这也成就了俱乐部的诞生,这里不会再有这种苍蝇和垃圾的泛滥横
行而不受制止。

我希望这里的各位能从这个案例学到更多,大家积极讨论相互收益提高。

力刀 于加拿大
美国医学教育博客(USMedEdu):
http://www.mitbbs.com/pc/index.php?id=USMedEdu (面对全球网站)
http://www.mitbbs.cn/pc/index.php?id=USMedEdu (大陆镜像网站)
MITBBS美加临床医学考版俱乐部(Pre_Resident_Club):
http://www.mitbbs.com/club_bbsdoc/Pre_Resident_Club.html
力刀_新浪博客:
http://blog.sina.com.cn/u/1247007007
文学城_温柔一刀_力刀博客:
http://blog.wenxuecity.com/myindex.php?blogID=2828
北美中国医生网站
http://physician.cmgforum.net/dok/viewforum.php?f=16&start=0

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发信人: kaye ([email protected][email protected]~埋底海豚~热爱游泳), 信区: MedicalCareer
标 题: [合集] 面试碰到的尴尬事
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Tue Nov 2 02:42:11 2010, 美东)


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ZXCVBNMWUJI (无极) 于 (Sun Oct 31 22:38:21 2010, 美东) 提到:

面试碰到的尴尬事:

我的第一个面试的一个面试官是一个看上去很和蔼的老先生,进去后他一上来就笑眯眯
的问,你是怎么认识Dr.XXX的?Dr.XXX是我到美国后的第一个老板。我说,您认识他?
他微笑地点头,说Dr.XXX跟他一起在XXX做的resident。我于是精神为之一振,把我当初
出国如何联系Dr.XXX到他那儿做POSTDOC给绘声绘色了一遍,末了还加了一句类似“He
is the nicest person I've ever met.”之类的评论。面试官耐心听我说完,然后仍
然笑眯眯地说:“Well, I was not getting along with him very well at that
time.”然后就是blah blah blah blah.我当场差点晕倒。

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DrNewbie (NN) 于 (Sun Oct 31 23:33:50 2010, 美东) 提到:

You could have said back, Ohh, he must have changed quite a bit.
Or he only gets along well with suck-ups. I jam him up real good.

【 在 ZXCVBNMWUJI (无极) 的大作中提到: 】

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fionaww (加州无鱼) 于 (Mon Nov 1 00:00:52 2010, 美东) 提到:

第一句还好,第二句就不行啦。万一人家说,感情你是suck-up阿,不然人家怎么看上
你,把你从国内招来呢?不更晕倒了?


【 在 DrNewbie (NN) 的大作中提到: 】
: You could have said, Ohh, he must have changed quite a bit.
: Or he only gets along well with suck-ups.

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DrNewbie (NN) 于 (Mon Nov 1 00:03:49 2010, 美东) 提到:

hehehehe.

Third one: Am I such a charming person that I get along so well with him? Or Am I personable that we get along so well.

Fourth one: You should be happy with my people skills now right? Since I can get along with this snob.

If you love my answers and you get my sick humor, please join my club:

Pre_resident_english_corner.

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DrNewbie (NN) 于 (Mon Nov 1 01:25:54 2010, 美东) 提到:

The rest are for professionals only. No imitation by amateurs.
The 1st is witty. The 2nd is humor.


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dojo (麦地里的豆角) 于 (Mon Nov 1 20:34:37 2010, 美东) 提到:

楼上大哥,你是来搞笑的还是来做广告的?你的这些自以为幽默的答案不是too judgemental ("he must"...lol) 就是自我吹捧。

这个情况下,面试官故意不在开始的时候就说合不来,而是在等楼主说了一大堆以后才
说,其实就是想看楼主遇到尴尬时的反应。象楼上大哥这种回答,把球踢回去,反让面
试官尴尬,我以为不好。我的建议是回答"oh, sorry to hear about that" 就行了,
最多再加一句"I don't know why he treats you and me differently",把这话题带
过就得了。Dr.XXX或者任何一个普通人都不可能跟所有人都合得来,这本是正常现象,
何须画蛇添足

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ChiUSMD (治病救热) 于 (Mon Nov 1 20:56:20 2010, 美东) 提到:

I agree. I assume you are a cute girl, and probably got a high remark from
him, otherwise he won't say this political incorrect thing. Go back ask your
boss whatever he said is true or not, then Send him a nice followup email
and make up something 拍一下马屁.

if your boss can send him a short email, 100% you are in or prematched.
My personal experience you will be ranked very high by that program. 美国人的尊师是骨子里的

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sfkitty (meow) 于 (Mon Nov 1 21:12:16 2010, 美东) 提到:

这真的是个需要脑筋急转弯的问题,我觉得理想的答案是结合NN和豆角的智慧。“sorry to hear that" ,加上适当的表情(让面试官觉得你的确 feel sorry about it, 而不是随口说说),再加上 “well, I guess he must have changed a lot“, 然后以一个beautiful smile to wrap it up。



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dojo (麦地里的豆角) 于 (Mon Nov 1 21:28:20 2010, 美东) 提到:

对的,表情要搭上。但这个must就免了,我对NN第一个答案不满意的就是这个must,显
得好象你多知道Dr.XXX的过去似的。你用"I guess"就对了。

说到底,我觉得这个回马枪问题固然尴尬,但老实应对,或者就是尴尬在那儿傻笑没有
答案,也比表现出自大和judgmental要好,这些性格可是要命的。尤其在正式面试问答
的时候,玩幽默是玩火。

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kaye ([email protected][email protected]~埋底海豚~热爱游泳) 于 (Mon Nov 1 23:09:01 2010, 美东) 提到:


dojo(豆角)和chiusmd的分析都很有道理,谢谢!
个人认为是这个问题的正解吧。

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ChiUSMD (治病救热) 于 (Mon Nov 1 23:45:44 2010, 美东) 提到:

The old people always have some 童心,he tried to say "got you", just be his
way and do something satisfy his joke. Now matter how smart you are, just
pretend "he got you".

"oops" then smile, or slightly 夸张一下,any other words might turn the
table completely opposite.
American would anwer: "you are good" or "you got me".

在中国,就自罚杯酒。
中美情况差不多,就是不能充大拿。
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1 [DrNewbie 于 2010-11-03 21:45:45 提到][删除][修改] [FROM: 71.109.]
1 [DrNewbie 于 2010-11-02 14:27:31 提到][删除][修改]
Does it matter whether he has changed or not? NO! The best way is to switch gears right away with a neutral, courteous comment. 'Sorry to hear that' is NOT nice at all. Either is 'u got me'. You really have no idea what happened between these two. Could be something nasty. Or his reply could be just a joke. Either way, it is best not to get involved. Along this line, there is no reason to be 'SINCERELY' sorry for it. The 'sorry' line can be interpreted in a bad way: 'You are sorry because I am an ass?'. Better say something neutral without offending either side. 'You got it' works only when he was really joking. What if he was serious? It would be even more awkward.

There isnt any good answer for this awkward situation. Only an immature person would give you a hard time like this. If a person reply in a courteous way, he wins votes. My answer shows integrity, honor and wit. It wins respects from others. The best dealing with this situation is a polite short answer and a quick switch to other topics.

The beauty of my reply is that it does NOT offend either party. Of course, the tone and your body language determines how the msg is delivered and how it will be received.

'"I don't know why he treats you and me differently" could be taken as very offensive. Right? 'It is because I am an ass?'


2-4 are for laughs only. Hope everyone here knows when to chuckle on a joke.

All you can brag is how other people drooling over your job. How pathetic.

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4 [DrNewbie 于 2010-11-02 13:44:06 提到]
Ur foul mouth cost your job already. You just never learn. You will lose
your job again if you dont know when to hold back your filthy mouth.

You can only take pleasure in getting even by your bragging how the wife of
the boss who fired you left him. You are just plain sick.

You are nobody compared with your peers.

Even a monkey can get a score of 50 by throwing darts on a board. So you
think you are smart with scores of 70s? You just got lucky. Period.
Nothing to be proud of.

Talk to anyone who got scores of 70s and ask them whether you just got lucky
or it just doesnt matter. Dont use one case to counter me. Lets talk
about trend or stats.

Your numerous scum filled posts have been deleted by BanZhu. You were so
out of line that even BanZhu was ashamed of you and deleted your mean post
about your ex-boss right after you posted it.

There are many precedents of accomplished people turning into monsters in
their senior years When you were biting every bystander on the street, I
suddenly realized its not me, it is you.

Yes, there are plenty of very smart yet generous, decent people here.

They shoot for much higher goal than you. With your lousy 70s score, no
wonder the best advice you gave to them is to take the less satisfying
prematch. Because you could only get lucky once.

So stop misleading people by using you as an example.

To exclude me from getting info on the medi board, you tried to drag
everyone into ur private club. It just shows how childish you are. Only a
sick person would devise such an evil plan. Even your buddies think you
have gone too far and opened ur private club for public viewing.

You are just a plain sick old man.

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4 [snowfox01 于 2010-11-02 17:25:32 提到] [FROM: 134.74.]
Dr.Newbie:Please be nice to this old man。
难道你没看见你把他生命中唯一的支柱----收集各种贴子,然后大言不惭的copy&post 到自己的网页。给打碎了。同时,他在麦地的“一手遮天” 用那二十年前的狗屁经验来误导新人,也让你给揭穿了。我能理解他的恼羞成怒。他也没几天了,就让他乐呵乐呵吧。

他的英语很好。中国人特别是我们河南人一听就懂。 像“welcome u join my club" 和his is a very unique 8-gua I enjoy to read”还有“I'm sure there you will get more benefits=我坚信在这里你将得到更多的好处。”多么容易的“直”译呀
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5 [DrNewbie 于 2010-11-02 23:00:52 提到]

His best English is:

Bless the God. No wonder people call him the GodFather.
 
2   [USMedEdu 于 2008-08-05 18:34:05 提到] [FROM: 10.]
写着写着就成流水帐啦。凑合看啦 :)

早上7:45准时到了公司。老师是位很热情的中年妇女。学习材料都已经放在课桌上。陆
陆续续等志愿者都到了。大概有20个人左右。一半左右是老太太。有三个十五六岁的高
中生 (汗一个!)。剩下的年纪参差不齐。只有两位是男同胞。呵呵。

一开始先是自我介绍,老师曾经在高中里做过多年的志愿者,她也有多年组织志愿者的
经历。三年前来到这个公司。几位老太太经历坎坷:有的是最近失去丈夫的,有的是曾
经照料过临终的父母,并由此了解到hospice service; 有的是经过这些后知道有多痛
苦,希望能够帮助其他人,有的是想借此了解一下hospice.高中生多半是学校要求
community service。有位小伙子曾经在nursing home 工作过,打算以他爸爸的名义开
一个non-profit的公司,想到这儿来了解一下经验。

接下来是介绍hospice movement 和公司的来历。hopsice movement 起源在六十年代。
人们希望在家里,而不是在冰冷的医院里告别人世。这个公司在六十年代由一个牧师和
一个护士创立。最早所有的工作人员都是志愿者。第一个拿薪水的职位是volunteer
manager.因为志愿者太多,需要人管理。直到现在, medicare要求公司里5%以上的工作
必须由志愿者完成。

公司的第一位病人告诉创立人,“如果你们帮助我,我会告诉你们什么是我需要的”
病人希望:
1.保持独立
2. 被人倾听
3.家人能受到支持
4. 缓解焦虑
5. 保持她的生活质量

直到70年代末和80年代初的时候,才有相关的法律诞生。

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