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从最近的中医之争看中国之落后

作者:shunz
(转载请注明出处:http://www.shunz.net/2006/11/chinas-backwardness.html)

  最近关于是否废除中医,网上吵得可是沸沸扬扬,但是仔细看看正反两方在
这场辩论中的表现,我们看到的却是一场闹剧,正方是摆证据,说效果,讲道理,
反方则是扣帽子,死缠烂打,无理取闹,这在逻辑上是完全一边倒的争论,在舆
论上却是倒到另一边,通过这场争论,我可以说从中品味出了很多,下面一一道
来:

  一、国民素质落后

  从这场争论中,我们可以看出国民素质,特别是科学素质极度落后,关于中
医是否符合现代科学范畴,以及中医与现代医学孰优孰劣,这应该是每一个具有
基本科学素质的人一眼就能判定的,但是在这场争论中,上至国家卫生部,下至
普通大学生,始终有人纠缠不清。稍微整理一下,可以看出这些人一般是具有以
下特征:

  1、泥古不化

  抱残守缺、泥古不化、墨守陈规这些本是中华文化特征之一,具体反映到中
医文化中,就更显得突出了,言必称《黄帝内经》等古人经典,无视现代科学的
进步,甚至认为“鸡尾酒疗法”是中国商代的水平,很有阿Q的特点,总认为
“我们先前比你阔多了”,总沉湎于中华泱泱大国的幻想中。这些人搁在八九十
年前就是那些封建遗老遗少,“数典忘祖”是这些人常挂在嘴边的话,其思维水
平不值一提。信奉权威,相信“祖传秘方”,更极端的则认为古人比现代人更聪
明,古代比现代更先进,认为人类文明是一代不如一代,相信武侠小说里从某个
山洞找到古人留下的武功秘笈就能无敌于天下:P。

  2、乱扣帽子

  扣帽子,诛心之论,这些也是中华文化,特别是政治文化的重要组成部分,
在这次中医废存争论上也表现得淋漓尽致,在我的blog上转贴张教授的文章后就
有不下50人在这里骂张教授是汉奸,甚至直接说张教授是汪精卫。说中国哪里不
好就等于卖国,这是这些人的典型思维方式。

  3、逻辑混乱

  逻辑混乱,脑子一片浆糊是这些人的最大特征,这些人看不到中医理论的荒
唐,看不到“心主神明”的愚昧,看不到现代医学进步对中国人平均寿命的提高,
看不到中医一直在窃取现代医学的研究成果,比如,有种说法是中医可以提高人
体免疫力,岂不知免疫之说来自现代医学,中医根本不知道人体有免疫系统,何
来提高免疫力?中医说能抗病毒,但其实是病毒病菌不分,连基本的消毒概念都
不清楚,却号称能治SARS,非典时,有中医称能半年内研制出特效药,但是现在
过去3年多了,还是无影无踪。这些脑子浆糊的人是看不到这些的。

  4、胡乱类比

  这些人还有一个特征就是喜欢拿不相干的事物来做类比,这也是中华文化的
糟粕之一,不知深究概念内涵,而只是做简单类比。比如将中医西医类比为中餐
西餐,就是这种思维简单化的毛病。

  二、医疗体系落后

  从这次争论以及王澄医生的一系列文章,我看到了中国医疗体系与国外相比
的极度落后。了解到了中医存在于中国医疗体系的历史原因,更了解到中国现有
医疗体系的不公平。从国外的医生培养制度,知道了国内医生的水平之低下。联
系到自己看病的经历,感慨实在太多,让人生出:“为什么我生在中国”的愤慨。

  三、教育落后

  参与这场争论的死挺中医的人群基本上各个年龄段的人都有,但是绝大多数
都是建国后受教育的,特别是35岁以内的人都是在改革开放之后开始受教育的,
这些人应该都是受过正规的科学素养教育的,但是这些人都倒向了愚昧与无知,
这实在是中国教育的失败,从中折射出了中国教育的落后。

  综前所述,这段时间的争论暴露出了中国许多方面的落后,而这些落后又与
政治和历史有着千丝万缕的联系。正如司履生教授所说的“中西医之争实际上是
新时期的思想解放运动”,希望这场思想解放运动能让更多的人觉醒,从而摆脱
愚昧与无知,加快缩短中国与世界的差距。

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1   [DrNewbie 于 2010-11-03 22:06:25 提到] [FROM: 71.]


力刀评注:

这是个很有趣的案例,在住院医生面试时时有发生和遇到或类似的场景。这种情况
的应对常常是面试者有意无意地从你反应回答、面部和BODY语言来考察你的反应能
力和个性特点及成熟的素质。表现得好和应答从容合适到位可以让面试者大为开心
或对你留下深刻良好印象,你就得了高分;而相反,应答错误或不当,轻的引起对
方不快或疑虑,严重的,可以说立即被面试者在心里判了死刑--你出局了!

这个CMG提出了个很好得问题,在我所印的下列讨论里,ChiUSMD和Dojo的发言非常
出色,值得大家认真思考和进一步充分讨论,学习提高自己的面试及对这样问题得
脑筋急转弯能力,以及自己的为人处事成熟能力培养。

值得指出的是:那个在麦地喋喋不休到处卖弄她的所谓“英语”并爱好给人改错的
蠢人的发言更充分地反映出其愚蠢和无知,她的所谓良好英语在她的愚蠢脑袋支配
下成了砸她自己脚的石头。此人在麦地已经贩卖了无数的垃圾和错误得东西。我实
在无法忍受这种蠢人无休无止地误导CMG,所以不惜大开杀戒痛砍此ID,得罪了麦地
版规和版主。

说来是坏事,但这也成就了俱乐部的诞生,这里不会再有这种苍蝇和垃圾的泛滥横
行而不受制止。

我希望这里的各位能从这个案例学到更多,大家积极讨论相互收益提高。

力刀 于加拿大
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http://blog.sina.com.cn/u/1247007007
文学城_温柔一刀_力刀博客:
http://blog.wenxuecity.com/myindex.php?blogID=2828
北美中国医生网站
http://physician.cmgforum.net/dok/viewforum.php?f=16&start=0

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发信人: kaye ([email protected][email protected]~埋底海豚~热爱游泳), 信区: MedicalCareer
标 题: [合集] 面试碰到的尴尬事
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Tue Nov 2 02:42:11 2010, 美东)


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ZXCVBNMWUJI (无极) 于 (Sun Oct 31 22:38:21 2010, 美东) 提到:

面试碰到的尴尬事:

我的第一个面试的一个面试官是一个看上去很和蔼的老先生,进去后他一上来就笑眯眯
的问,你是怎么认识Dr.XXX的?Dr.XXX是我到美国后的第一个老板。我说,您认识他?
他微笑地点头,说Dr.XXX跟他一起在XXX做的resident。我于是精神为之一振,把我当初
出国如何联系Dr.XXX到他那儿做POSTDOC给绘声绘色了一遍,末了还加了一句类似“He
is the nicest person I've ever met.”之类的评论。面试官耐心听我说完,然后仍
然笑眯眯地说:“Well, I was not getting along with him very well at that
time.”然后就是blah blah blah blah.我当场差点晕倒。

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DrNewbie (NN) 于 (Sun Oct 31 23:33:50 2010, 美东) 提到:

You could have said back, Ohh, he must have changed quite a bit.
Or he only gets along well with suck-ups. I jam him up real good.

【 在 ZXCVBNMWUJI (无极) 的大作中提到: 】

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fionaww (加州无鱼) 于 (Mon Nov 1 00:00:52 2010, 美东) 提到:

第一句还好,第二句就不行啦。万一人家说,感情你是suck-up阿,不然人家怎么看上
你,把你从国内招来呢?不更晕倒了?


【 在 DrNewbie (NN) 的大作中提到: 】
: You could have said, Ohh, he must have changed quite a bit.
: Or he only gets along well with suck-ups.

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DrNewbie (NN) 于 (Mon Nov 1 00:03:49 2010, 美东) 提到:

hehehehe.

Third one: Am I such a charming person that I get along so well with him? Or Am I personable that we get along so well.

Fourth one: You should be happy with my people skills now right? Since I can get along with this snob.

If you love my answers and you get my sick humor, please join my club:

Pre_resident_english_corner.

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DrNewbie (NN) 于 (Mon Nov 1 01:25:54 2010, 美东) 提到:

The rest are for professionals only. No imitation by amateurs.
The 1st is witty. The 2nd is humor.


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dojo (麦地里的豆角) 于 (Mon Nov 1 20:34:37 2010, 美东) 提到:

楼上大哥,你是来搞笑的还是来做广告的?你的这些自以为幽默的答案不是too judgemental ("he must"...lol) 就是自我吹捧。

这个情况下,面试官故意不在开始的时候就说合不来,而是在等楼主说了一大堆以后才
说,其实就是想看楼主遇到尴尬时的反应。象楼上大哥这种回答,把球踢回去,反让面
试官尴尬,我以为不好。我的建议是回答"oh, sorry to hear about that" 就行了,
最多再加一句"I don't know why he treats you and me differently",把这话题带
过就得了。Dr.XXX或者任何一个普通人都不可能跟所有人都合得来,这本是正常现象,
何须画蛇添足

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ChiUSMD (治病救热) 于 (Mon Nov 1 20:56:20 2010, 美东) 提到:

I agree. I assume you are a cute girl, and probably got a high remark from
him, otherwise he won't say this political incorrect thing. Go back ask your
boss whatever he said is true or not, then Send him a nice followup email
and make up something 拍一下马屁.

if your boss can send him a short email, 100% you are in or prematched.
My personal experience you will be ranked very high by that program. 美国人的尊师是骨子里的

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sfkitty (meow) 于 (Mon Nov 1 21:12:16 2010, 美东) 提到:

这真的是个需要脑筋急转弯的问题,我觉得理想的答案是结合NN和豆角的智慧。“sorry to hear that" ,加上适当的表情(让面试官觉得你的确 feel sorry about it, 而不是随口说说),再加上 “well, I guess he must have changed a lot“, 然后以一个beautiful smile to wrap it up。



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dojo (麦地里的豆角) 于 (Mon Nov 1 21:28:20 2010, 美东) 提到:

对的,表情要搭上。但这个must就免了,我对NN第一个答案不满意的就是这个must,显
得好象你多知道Dr.XXX的过去似的。你用"I guess"就对了。

说到底,我觉得这个回马枪问题固然尴尬,但老实应对,或者就是尴尬在那儿傻笑没有
答案,也比表现出自大和judgmental要好,这些性格可是要命的。尤其在正式面试问答
的时候,玩幽默是玩火。

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kaye ([email protected][email protected]~埋底海豚~热爱游泳) 于 (Mon Nov 1 23:09:01 2010, 美东) 提到:


dojo(豆角)和chiusmd的分析都很有道理,谢谢!
个人认为是这个问题的正解吧。

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ChiUSMD (治病救热) 于 (Mon Nov 1 23:45:44 2010, 美东) 提到:

The old people always have some 童心,he tried to say "got you", just be his
way and do something satisfy his joke. Now matter how smart you are, just
pretend "he got you".

"oops" then smile, or slightly 夸张一下,any other words might turn the
table completely opposite.
American would anwer: "you are good" or "you got me".

在中国,就自罚杯酒。
中美情况差不多,就是不能充大拿。
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1 [DrNewbie 于 2010-11-03 21:45:45 提到][删除][修改] [FROM: 71.109.]
1 [DrNewbie 于 2010-11-02 14:27:31 提到][删除][修改]
Does it matter whether he has changed or not? NO! The best way is to switch gears right away with a neutral, courteous comment. 'Sorry to hear that' is NOT nice at all. Either is 'u got me'. You really have no idea what happened between these two. Could be something nasty. Or his reply could be just a joke. Either way, it is best not to get involved. Along this line, there is no reason to be 'SINCERELY' sorry for it. The 'sorry' line can be interpreted in a bad way: 'You are sorry because I am an ass?'. Better say something neutral without offending either side. 'You got it' works only when he was really joking. What if he was serious? It would be even more awkward.

There isnt any good answer for this awkward situation. Only an immature person would give you a hard time like this. If a person reply in a courteous way, he wins votes. My answer shows integrity, honor and wit. It wins respects from others. The best dealing with this situation is a polite short answer and a quick switch to other topics.

The beauty of my reply is that it does NOT offend either party. Of course, the tone and your body language determines how the msg is delivered and how it will be received.

'"I don't know why he treats you and me differently" could be taken as very offensive. Right? 'It is because I am an ass?'


2-4 are for laughs only. Hope everyone here knows when to chuckle on a joke.

All you can brag is how other people drooling over your job. How pathetic.

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4 [DrNewbie 于 2010-11-02 13:44:06 提到]
Ur foul mouth cost your job already. You just never learn. You will lose
your job again if you dont know when to hold back your filthy mouth.

You can only take pleasure in getting even by your bragging how the wife of
the boss who fired you left him. You are just plain sick.

You are nobody compared with your peers.

Even a monkey can get a score of 50 by throwing darts on a board. So you
think you are smart with scores of 70s? You just got lucky. Period.
Nothing to be proud of.

Talk to anyone who got scores of 70s and ask them whether you just got lucky
or it just doesnt matter. Dont use one case to counter me. Lets talk
about trend or stats.

Your numerous scum filled posts have been deleted by BanZhu. You were so
out of line that even BanZhu was ashamed of you and deleted your mean post
about your ex-boss right after you posted it.

There are many precedents of accomplished people turning into monsters in
their senior years When you were biting every bystander on the street, I
suddenly realized its not me, it is you.

Yes, there are plenty of very smart yet generous, decent people here.

They shoot for much higher goal than you. With your lousy 70s score, no
wonder the best advice you gave to them is to take the less satisfying
prematch. Because you could only get lucky once.

So stop misleading people by using you as an example.

To exclude me from getting info on the medi board, you tried to drag
everyone into ur private club. It just shows how childish you are. Only a
sick person would devise such an evil plan. Even your buddies think you
have gone too far and opened ur private club for public viewing.

You are just a plain sick old man.

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4 [snowfox01 于 2010-11-02 17:25:32 提到] [FROM: 134.74.]
Dr.Newbie:Please be nice to this old man。
难道你没看见你把他生命中唯一的支柱----收集各种贴子,然后大言不惭的copy&post 到自己的网页。给打碎了。同时,他在麦地的“一手遮天” 用那二十年前的狗屁经验来误导新人,也让你给揭穿了。我能理解他的恼羞成怒。他也没几天了,就让他乐呵乐呵吧。

他的英语很好。中国人特别是我们河南人一听就懂。 像“welcome u join my club" 和his is a very unique 8-gua I enjoy to read”还有“I'm sure there you will get more benefits=我坚信在这里你将得到更多的好处。”多么容易的“直”译呀
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5 [DrNewbie 于 2010-11-02 23:00:52 提到]

His best English is:

Bless the God. No wonder people call him the GodFather.
 
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