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关于如何进入美国医学院的讨论


发信人: catxl (旋旋), 信区: MedicalCareer
标 题: 该上哪个医学院
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Fri Feb 15 23:08:09 2008)

请教哥哥姐姐们, 请给点建议经验.

我在多伦多大学念的本科, 现在大四, 刚收到Johns Hopkins 医学院的MD录取通知(不
想读Ph.D) 因为是国际学生(加拿大国籍), 没有任何经济补助. 一次付清(deposit)四
年费用$25万. 家里能支持一些, 不过还须向银行贷款至少10万.

如果留在加拿大还可去Toronto, 或McGill的医学院, 学费只有美国的三分之一, 还
有政府的贷款.

大家觉得去Johns Hopkins 花这么多钱值不值? 这个文凭和名校所谓的\\\"人脉\\\"对我
的将来有多大影响? 我是个没什么太大理想的人, 就希望工作稳定,在不太累的情况下,
做到自己能做到的最好.

主要着急的是, 将来工作签证绿卡是不是很麻烦?我想早点接父母过来一起生活.如
果去美国学习和做residency, 是不是十年内都没有希望啊?

再就是听说Baltimore 非常不安全,城市本身很差. 可我去面试的时候那两三天, 觉
得学校附近特别好. 这是错觉还是别的什么的? 有没有哥哥姐姐在那里工作过或学习
过的啊?

麻烦大家给参谋参谋.
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发信人: ericusa (Jedi), 信区: MedicalCareer
标 题: Re: 该上哪个医学院
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Sat Feb 16 08:38:11 2008)

Since you are a Canadian citizen, to get an US working permit after graduation
should be easy. Johns Hopkins is one of the best medical schools in the
world. Although any US medical schools will get you a residency spot, Johns
Hopkins carries some weight for matching into some top programs. The future
earning potential will depend on many factors, such as specialty, type of
practice, location, etc. Yes US medical schools are expensive, but considering
what you will earn in the future, it’s just a small price to pay. With
common sense and caution, the safety at Baltimore should not be a problem.


发信人: madmice (madmice), 信区: MedicalCareer
标 题: Re: 该上哪个医学院
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Sat Feb 16 15:25:10 2008)

Let me tell you a real story about JHH campus. My boss worked there before
she moved here to be the chief. She told me that one of her best residents
got stabbed in the abdomen one night around 7 PM just steps away from JHH
emergency room. He was stabbed by a 11-year-old boy. He tried his best to
get help and died of internal bleeding in front of mean gate of the ER......
She also told me that if it\\\'s around 5-6pm, you need to run to you car in
the parking lot otherwise there will be great chance for you to be robbed...
.......

But it\\\'s one of the best medical schools in the US. I don\\\'t know what other
people thinks, I do think going to a good medical school will help your
carreer a lot.

Many good medical schools are in pretty rough area: the back street of 
Columbia is where drug dealers deal drug; Duke university is located in
the worst place in NC: you can easily get robbed early evening on campus........
....

If you are worried about the finacial issue, you can always pay them back
after you graduate easily......


发信人: wzxm (蚊子凶猛), 信区: MedicalCareer
标 题: Re: 该上哪个医学院
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Sat Feb 16 15:30:56 2008)

我还没有开始申请,不过作为一个pre-med说说自己的看法。

首先,请允许我表达一下敬仰之情,同时拿到jhu,大麦,多大三所医学院的MD录取,
真的可以说是非常非常非常牛,jhu是美国top2,大麦和多大是加拿大top3,楼主能
同时得到三所录取,OH MY GOD,无法想象有多强的实力。

简化版的个人意见:一定要去jhu

详细点:医学院哪里毕业都一样。这个观点也对也不对。

对:这是给我们这种挤破了头都没有医学院上的人说的,就算去加勒比的,只要出
来是MD,就一样好使,我听说不少加勒比或者美国比较垫底的医学院的毕业生,一
样可以去到西北大学,斯坦福等做住院医训练。

再就是,医学院和法学院、商学院不大一样,后两者极重出身和同学网,所以UPENN的
商学院和耶鲁的法学院就是不一样。而医学院虽然哈佛肯定要比加勒比好,但是相
差没有那么那么大。

不对:这是指楼主这类学生,以你的层次,加勒比或排名往后的肯定就不要考虑。
我觉得你这水平或者说潜质,怎么说呢,是将来北美医学院leader or chief(至少
是专家)这个级别的来培养,你去看看哈佛、多大这些医学院出来的毕业生,现在在所在
单位做到leader/chief这个级别的肯定要比加勒比的多很多。这个时候,医学院的
出身,同学网等等就很重要了。

我本人在加西上学,对美加的医学院都有些了解。多大和大麦,算上小麦,在加拿
大就到头了,但是JHU还是要比多大和大麦高一个层次。这个层次更多的不是在实际
水平上的,而是一种声誉和隐性资源,而后者往往成为你以后职业发展更重要的东
西。我在西人的论坛上见有人说,哈佛医学院内部的教学质量不见得比排第十名的
医学院高,可是Harvard Medical School这个名字,就够了,这个在北美和在中国
一个道理的。

至于学费,我记得这个版上以前有前辈说过,money should be the last thing you

worry about,费用肯定不用担心,你还是加国公民,还只是10万元的贷款,这个版
上包括我在内有好些拿中国护照的国际学生,如果有幸有医学院要,要贷四年所有的
学费和大部分生活费,那就是30万美元,我们不还是满腔热血的在准备,呵呵。你
这10万美元的债务,估计住院医作不完就能还清,完全不用担心。

至于安全问题,我没去过美国,更没去过巴尔的摩,没有发言权。

最后一条,即使楼主“是个没什么太大理想的人”(神啊,是不是真正的那牛都这
么低调啊),我个人的看法,不要在还没开始的时候就人为的降低自己的选择。刚
起步的时候路子宽一点,以后往下调整,要比还没起步就把上限降下来更好。

比较偏激的说法:Come on man, it is JOHN HOPKINS, what are you still waiting
for? That is one of the best schools on this planet.

希望楼主如果有时间和兴趣的话,能介绍一下自己的申请经历和经验,特别是作为
国际学生申请美国医学院,对我们这些international pre-med非常宝贵。先谢谢了。




发信人: cancidas (michael knight), 信区: MedicalCareer
标 题: Re: Re: 该上哪个医学院
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Sat Feb 16 21:28:07 2008)

canadian graduate不是IMG, period. 很多大医院,top program的头头都是canadian
graduate.对canadian graduate的bias是存在的,simply from老美的ignorance.在
加拿大上mcgill这类学校要比美国人申请JH难的多的多. 我觉得lz录取的这几个学校都
很好,没必要只为了虚名去背上一身债(肯定的告诉你,4年25万$远远不够,这个数字或许
3,4年前还适用)和不必要的心理压力.如果我想要的是平平淡淡的生活, 我会选择拿着
全奖去上一个全美最差的医学院, 而不是背着50万$债上个全美最好的医学院,原因很简
单,我就算是the last of class, I am still a M.D.

最后, 我要崇拜一下lz, 最近这两年进harvard和jh对正常人来说是impossible. 今
年哥大医学院录取比例是500:1, jh就更不用说了. 就连albany这种垃圾学校的录取比
例都到了360:1. 医学院现在是一年比一年难考了
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发信人: MLMW (mylifemyway), 信区: MedicalCareer
标 题: Re: 该上哪个医学院
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Sat Feb 16 16:10:37 2008)

There may be not much difference in education quality of the med schools

across the north America. However, I believe that many institutions in the
U.S. hold prejudices to any foreign education even include the top programs

Canada which is probably closest to the U.S. system. What I know for sure
isthat you may have some difficulties in the future match for really
competitive specialties and fellowships if you are not a graduate from this

country even you are from the top in Canada. Of course that would not be
a problem if U.S. is not your primary destination for your future career.


JHH is no doubt the leader in the industry. Tuition is not a big deal if
you can take loans. As for the safety issues, the suburbs of Baltimore is not
bad at all and JHU has an office for off-campus housing and a web link for
you to check out.Call them and ask.

Finally, congratulations to you and good luck.
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发信人: catxl (旋旋), 信区: MedicalCareer
标 题: Re: 该上哪个医学院
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Sun Feb 17 17:32:58 2008)

谢谢各位的细心回答, 受益匪浅。 也同时回答下一些问题。

我是高中时候办了跟家人团聚,在加拿大读书。后来家里原因, 家里人在国内。
关于上医学院的过程,是跟当地学生走了一样的路径。 四年本科里,做了各种各样
的医院和非医院的义工,在生物化学实验混了3年, 好歹弄了篇文章, 然后就是学校
里团体里的leadership experience. 当过本科生的助教, 还有新生指导员什么的。


MCAT考得很一般,英语部分不大好,后来也就算了, 不想再受累。GPA是维持到现
在,是最累也是最成功的。 去年大三的时候试着申请过加拿大的学校,本相摸摸路,
结果人家给毫不犹豫地拒了, 现在想来是欺负三年级的小朋友。

从我今年在美国的面试感觉来说,MD/phD似乎更难进。 往往如果被MD/phD拒了,MD的
机会也不大了。 尽管他们都说是独立的审核, 不过,有个面试我的副院长跟我提
起MD/phD说了些内情。 这也许是每个学校不一样。 再有,发现MCAT和GPA 的因素
比我想象中的比重小的多(至少是我报的这些学校), 人人都是名校毕业的, 人人
分数都很好, 尤其是到了面试这关以后, 成绩基本没有什么影响了。面试很重要,
要练习,但不要过分准备,否则很假(我的第一场面试都是我准备好的答案,老师
问得十分规矩,我当时还以为自己表现的不错,后来回家回想自己的作答,自己都
觉得窘迫得不敢细想,意料之中,那个学校到现在都没听到消息)。但面试真的有
很大的运气成分在里面, 是谁给面试,什么时间, 那天心情怎样,都是因素。 

还有些也许是些旧话, 比如, 一定要早申请, 最好6月份就把AAMC primary
application 交了,尽快完成第二申请(包括推荐信)。 然后就是要多申请学校,
至少15个以上,好学校未必不要你,垫底的未必要你,会有很多意想不到的事情。 

祝大家心想事成!
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发信人: ericusa (Jedi), 信区: MedicalCareer
标 题: Re: 该上哪个医学院
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Sun Feb 17 17:46:42 2008)

Yes most US medical schools use undergraduate GPA and MCAT score as the
cut-off for interview invitation. The interview evaluation is very important,
and the final decision is based on the total package of the application.
One of my undergraduate classmates didn\\\'t get an admission with 4.0 GPA
but moderate MCAT score.

If medical research is the career goal MD/PhD program is a good choice.
Students are guaranteed funding throughout their training, which includes
an annual stipend (~$20,000+) and tuition costs. But the total training
time is 8 years (4 years medical school + 4 years graduate school).


发信人: rainlam (rainlam), 信区: MedicalCareer
标 题: Re: Re: Re: Re: 该上哪个医学院
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Sun Feb 17 22:26:05 2008)

上面有个JJ提到BU,我就顺便说两句吧~

我在BU念的本科,虽然我本人没念MD,但因为学的是Biology,周围的同学都是pre-med,
所以也了解不少。首先不知道那位想去BU的JJ知不知道BU的医学院跟Main Campus不
是在一起的。Medical Campus在Dorchester,离downtown一点也不近。这个地方在
Boston可以说是数一数二的不安全,经常都有新闻说谁又在街上无故被流弹击中丧命
之类的,robbery就更是不在话下了。。。我也有挺多朋友在那里,他们也都说那地
方很不安全的。为什么有那么多人报BU,还有Tufts,我觉得主要是因为他们在Boston,
因为HMS的原因,这里是Medicine的一个中心。所以来了Boston,即使不在HMS,以
后residency也有很大优势。每年BU和Tufts都有很多人去MGH和Longwood,可见connection真
的不能说不重要。

至于ranking,medical school的ranking主要是由学校的研究能力而定的,跟学校
本身的教学质量其实没什么关系。当然如果能进很top的,像HMS,JHU,UCSF那你肯定还
是有些优势的。

恭喜LZ啦~ 我觉得JHU固然是好,但如果你还有诸多考虑,像是安全,学费什么的,
留在加拿大也不错。见过的canadian faulty太多了,所以我相信美国对加拿大的教学
并没有什么歧视。何况是金子在哪里都会发光!
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发信人: wzxm (蚊子凶猛), 信区: MedicalCareer
标 题: Re: 该上哪个医学院
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Mon Feb 18 02:34:30 2008)

谢谢catxl(旋旋)

我就认识不少小学或中学移民来加拿大的华裔子弟,个顶个的优秀,不少人现在就
在药学院、生理系等竞争极为激烈的项目就读,好多以后更是申请医学院的大热。
曾经开玩笑说他们是比当地的孩子能吃苦比国际学生能融入,取两边的长处。说起
来都很为他们或者说你们自豪。

我有些技术性的问题,比如说MD/PhD的问题,加拿大学生在AMCAS上的一些问题,等
等,还想向你请教,可能给你发站内的短信,先谢谢了。

现在一个比较困扰我也是急于想知道的是,AMCAS对GPA有一套自己的算法,这套算
法算出来的GPA是不是就是美国所有医学院第一轮申请的GPA,而加拿大的大学,比
如说多大、McGill,他们有自己的一套算法么,还是也按照AMCAS的来?

看来top的医学院对申请人经历里面的leadership这一项还是更看重一些,又有新麻

了,呵呵。


发信人: cancidas (michael knight), 信区: MedicalCareer
标 题: Re: Re: Re: Re: 该上哪个医学院
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Mon Feb 18 09:09:26 2008)

JHU很nb, over. 你如果在美国上的本科,就能体会到这个竞争有多激烈了. 就像国
内来的大部分人只认哈佛,耶鲁一样,其实在美国毕业生眼里, MIT和Princeton才是最难
进的学校. 另外lz提到的GPA和MCAT问题, ls也有人说到了.其实重要也不重要, 因为每
个学校都有一个cutoff, 一个GPA 3.8, MCAT 35和一个GPA 4.0, MCAT 40的人, 其实
是差不多的, 这些人都算是最competitive的那一堆人. 到了这个地步, 分数就已经不重
要了, 真正比的就是你课余生活做的东西了. 很多中国毕业生忽视这个,其实volunteer,

research能make很大的difference. 如果能有publication,能给你加很多的分. 各
个领域大牛的推荐信更是珍贵. 我以前说过,我一个印度的朋友,GPA4.0, MCAT40, 最后
被harvard拒了,但是St.louis录取并且提供全奖, 这其中原因不明. 名校里面的录取
和选拔是很微妙的,不是分数够就可以搞定的. 所以我说了,lz很牛,更何况她还是加拿大
本科毕业的.
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发信人: dokknife (力刀), 信区: MedicalCareer
标 题: Re: 该上哪个医学院
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Mon Feb 18 09:43:36 2008)

MD/PHD只有<10%的比例,所以当然竞争更激烈和难进了--尤其名校的,那是为美国
医学界培养精英和领袖人物的。

后面写的其实也完全符合MATCH的一般规律:过了筛选线,参加面试,则分数已不是
重要考量的因素了。很多CMG参加不少IV但最终落选,究其原因,还是面试中暴露的
问题让面试考官感到不合适的。

写得挺好,若能再稍具体,就更好了。欢迎常来,介绍一些你的面试精力和教训、
如何参加社区义工和实验室工作等等方面。关于考医学院的,大陆人还比较少,愿
意将自己孩子考医学院经验介绍的就更少--尽管大陆来的下一代已有不少考进医学
院的。


dok



发信人: ericusa (Jedi), 信区: MedicalCareer
标 题: Re: Re: Re: Re: 该上哪个医学院
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Mon Feb 18 10:03:21 2008)

It\\\'s true that the course offers are similar in all of the 120+ US medical

schools.

There are some important differences, however:
1)Name recognition. This still carries some weight for academic and some

other top residency programs.
2)Reputation of the university-affiliated hospitals. This will affect your

clinic rotations.
3)Research opportunities. Good research experience will make your residency

application stronger.

Myself, for example, enroll in an in-state university which is a research

powerhouse. There are many research opportunities available if one is
willing to sacrifice some spare time. During undergraduate, I worked in
a
genetic engineering lab for three years (15 hours per week, full time in

summers), and resulted in one publication. In MS1 and MS2, so far I wrote
up
one paper for publication (neurology) and one poster (surgery). We will

also be able to choose research electives in MS4.

For people plan to apply for US medical schools, it\\\'s better to get into
one
of the so-called “Top 40 NIH medical schools” (based on 2005 NIH funding):
1 JOHNS HOPKINS UNIVERSITY SCH OF MEDICINE BALTIMORE MARYLAND
2 UNIV OF PENNSYLVANIA SCH OF MEDICINE PHILADELPHIA PENNSYLVANIA
3 UNIV OF CALIFORNIA SAN FRAN SCH OF MED SAN FRANCISCO CALIFORNIA
4 WASHINGTON UNIVERSITY SCH OF MEDICINE SAINT LOUIS MISSOURI
5 DUKE UNIVERSITY SCHOOL OF MEDICINE DURHAM NORTH CAROLINA
6 UNIVERSITY OF WASHINGTON SCH OF MEDICINE SEATTLE WASHINGTON
7 DAVID GEFFEN SCHOOL OF MEDICINE AT UCLA LOS ANGELES CALIFORNIA
8 YALE UNIVERSITY SCH OF MEDICINE NEW HAVEN CONNECTICUT
9 UNIV OF PITTSBURGH SCH OF MEDICINE PITTSBURGH PENNSYLVANIA
10 UNIVERSITY OF MICHIGAN MEDICAL SCHOOL ANN ARBOR MICHIGAN
11 STANFORD UNIVERSITY SCH OF MEDICINE STANFORD CALIFORNIA
12 CASE WESTERN RESERVE UNIV SCH OF MED CLEVELAND OHIO
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发信人: LadyOfLorien (Galadriel), 信区: MedicalCareer
标 题: 写给那位犹豫上JHUmedical schoold的catxl (旋旋)弟弟/妹妹
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Mon Feb 18 13:14:51 2008)

这位弟弟或者妹妹不要犹豫了,我不是医生,但是我的好朋友也是爸爸妈妈的最好的朋
友的女儿(我叫她妹妹)也在读医学院。我先生也是医生,最近我因为想帮助我的在国
内读了医学院的本科的高中同学来美国所以常常来这个版了解信息。
我和我先生还有身边几位朋友跟你很像,我是十年前在国内读完了高二来的美国。我的
那个读医学院的妹妹是8岁来的,会讲中文但不太会认字,我先生是高二来的。我们几
个除了那个读医学院的妹妹,因为父母来做postdoc,所以有一定的家里的支持。其他
都是靠自己挣学费的。
我的建议就是去读jhu吧,如果你的concern只是钱和安全,这两条根本不应该成为决定
因素。
我在upenn读的本科,费城西部即使现在,不用说是8-9年前真是十分可怕的,晚上每个
十字路口都站着一个police,我在校期间还有一个研究生在宿舍被人murder了。听起来
够吓人了吧。不过我在那里的时候,常常因为要打工,又没有车,必须要走夜路,我和
一个韩国妹妹晚上结伴打工,走路来来往往。注意安全,其实也没有多大问题。
至于钱,我们都是一般中国家庭父母那时候我来美国也就给了我1-2万人民币,penn学
费那么高,我当时每学期发愁学费都愁死了,但是奖学金加校园工作加黑工,还不是就
熬过来了。呵呵。我当时在minesota有一个转折亲给我联系了一个学校,算下来自己一
学期只要出1-2千,那时候年纪小不懂事差点守不住诱惑就去了,亏了这个好朋友妹妹
的爸爸妈妈坚持跟我说一定要去读penn,没钱先借给我,现在毕业工作了几年,又读了
mba才发现,幸好当时没有糊里糊涂的去读那个明州的学校,不管哪一行,起点很重要
的,我个人感觉本科的学校对我后来找工作和读商学院都十分重要,我先生和妹妹的感
觉也是一样。
真是高兴看到越来越多的中国脸孔出现在美国医学界,你也很快会成为其中之一。go
for it!


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1   [DrNewbie 于 2010-11-05 02:04:00 提到] [FROM: 98.]
力刀评注:

这是个很有趣的案例,在住院医生面试时时有发生和遇到或类似的场景。这种情况
的应对常常是面试者有意无意地从你反应回答、面部和BODY语言来考察你的反应能
力和个性特点及成熟的素质。表现得好和应答从容合适到位可以让面试者大为开心
或对你留下深刻良好印象,你就得了高分;而相反,应答错误或不当,轻的引起对
方不快或疑虑,严重的,可以说立即被面试者在心里判了死刑--你出局了!

这个CMG提出了个很好得问题,在我所印的下列讨论里,ChiUSMD和Dojo的发言非常
出色,值得大家认真思考和进一步充分讨论,学习提高自己的面试及对这样问题得
脑筋急转弯能力,以及自己的为人处事成熟能力培养。

值得指出的是:那个在麦地喋喋不休到处卖弄她的所谓“英语”并爱好给人改错的
蠢人的发言更充分地反映出其愚蠢和无知,她的所谓良好英语在她的愚蠢脑袋支配
下成了砸她自己脚的石头。此人在麦地已经贩卖了无数的垃圾和错误得东西。我实
在无法忍受这种蠢人无休无止地误导CMG,所以不惜大开杀戒痛砍此ID,得罪了麦地
版规和版主。

说来是坏事,但这也成就了俱乐部的诞生,这里不会再有这种苍蝇和垃圾的泛滥横
行而不受制止。

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发信人: kaye ([email protected][email protected]~埋底海豚~热爱游泳), 信区: MedicalCareer
标 题: [合集] 面试碰到的尴尬事
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Tue Nov 2 02:42:11 2010, 美东)


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ZXCVBNMWUJI (无极) 于 (Sun Oct 31 22:38:21 2010, 美东) 提到:

面试碰到的尴尬事:

我的第一个面试的一个面试官是一个看上去很和蔼的老先生,进去后他一上来就笑眯眯
的问,你是怎么认识Dr.XXX的?Dr.XXX是我到美国后的第一个老板。我说,您认识他?
他微笑地点头,说Dr.XXX跟他一起在XXX做的resident。我于是精神为之一振,把我当初
出国如何联系Dr.XXX到他那儿做POSTDOC给绘声绘色了一遍,末了还加了一句类似“He
is the nicest person I've ever met.”之类的评论。面试官耐心听我说完,然后仍
然笑眯眯地说:“Well, I was not getting along with him very well at that
time.”然后就是blah blah blah blah.我当场差点晕倒。

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DrNewbie (NN) 于 (Sun Oct 31 23:33:50 2010, 美东) 提到:

You could have said back, Ohh, he must have changed quite a bit.
Or he only gets along well with suck-ups. I jam him up real good.

【 在 ZXCVBNMWUJI (无极) 的大作中提到: 】

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fionaww (加州无鱼) 于 (Mon Nov 1 00:00:52 2010, 美东) 提到:

第一句还好,第二句就不行啦。万一人家说,感情你是suck-up阿,不然人家怎么看上
你,把你从国内招来呢?不更晕倒了?


【 在 DrNewbie (NN) 的大作中提到: 】
: You could have said, Ohh, he must have changed quite a bit.
: Or he only gets along well with suck-ups.

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DrNewbie (NN) 于 (Mon Nov 1 00:03:49 2010, 美东) 提到:

hehehehe.

Third one: Am I such a charming person that I get along so well with him? Or Am I personable that we get along so well.

Fourth one: You should be happy with my people skills now right? Since I can get along with this snob.

If you love my answers and you get my sick humor, please join my club:

Pre_resident_english_corner.

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DrNewbie (NN) 于 (Mon Nov 1 01:25:54 2010, 美东) 提到:

The rest are for professionals only. No imitation by amateurs.
The 1st is witty. The 2nd is humor.


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dojo (麦地里的豆角) 于 (Mon Nov 1 20:34:37 2010, 美东) 提到:

楼上大哥,你是来搞笑的还是来做广告的?你的这些自以为幽默的答案不是too judgemental ("he must"...lol) 就是自我吹捧。

这个情况下,面试官故意不在开始的时候就说合不来,而是在等楼主说了一大堆以后才
说,其实就是想看楼主遇到尴尬时的反应。象楼上大哥这种回答,把球踢回去,反让面
试官尴尬,我以为不好。我的建议是回答"oh, sorry to hear about that" 就行了,
最多再加一句"I don't know why he treats you and me differently",把这话题带
过就得了。Dr.XXX或者任何一个普通人都不可能跟所有人都合得来,这本是正常现象,
何须画蛇添足

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ChiUSMD (治病救热) 于 (Mon Nov 1 20:56:20 2010, 美东) 提到:

I agree. I assume you are a cute girl, and probably got a high remark from
him, otherwise he won't say this political incorrect thing. Go back ask your
boss whatever he said is true or not, then Send him a nice followup email
and make up something 拍一下马屁.

if your boss can send him a short email, 100% you are in or prematched.
My personal experience you will be ranked very high by that program. 美国人的尊师是骨子里的

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sfkitty (meow) 于 (Mon Nov 1 21:12:16 2010, 美东) 提到:

这真的是个需要脑筋急转弯的问题,我觉得理想的答案是结合NN和豆角的智慧。“sorry to hear that" ,加上适当的表情(让面试官觉得你的确 feel sorry about it, 而不是随口说说),再加上 “well, I guess he must have changed a lot“, 然后以一个beautiful smile to wrap it up。



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dojo (麦地里的豆角) 于 (Mon Nov 1 21:28:20 2010, 美东) 提到:

对的,表情要搭上。但这个must就免了,我对NN第一个答案不满意的就是这个must,显
得好象你多知道Dr.XXX的过去似的。你用"I guess"就对了。

说到底,我觉得这个回马枪问题固然尴尬,但老实应对,或者就是尴尬在那儿傻笑没有
答案,也比表现出自大和judgmental要好,这些性格可是要命的。尤其在正式面试问答
的时候,玩幽默是玩火。

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kaye ([email protected][email protected]~埋底海豚~热爱游泳) 于 (Mon Nov 1 23:09:01 2010, 美东) 提到:


dojo(豆角)和chiusmd的分析都很有道理,谢谢!
个人认为是这个问题的正解吧。

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ChiUSMD (治病救热) 于 (Mon Nov 1 23:45:44 2010, 美东) 提到:

The old people always have some 童心,he tried to say "got you", just be his
way and do something satisfy his joke. Now matter how smart you are, just
pretend "he got you".

"oops" then smile, or slightly 夸张一下,any other words might turn the
table completely opposite.
American would anwer: "you are good" or "you got me".

在中国,就自罚杯酒。
中美情况差不多,就是不能充大拿。
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Does it matter whether he has changed or not? NO! The best way is to switch gears right away with a neutral, courteous comment. 'Sorry to hear that' is NOT nice at all. Either is 'u got me'. You really have no idea what happened between these two. Could be something nasty. Or his reply could be just a joke. Either way, it is best not to get involved. Along this line, there is no reason to be 'SINCERELY' sorry for it. The 'sorry' line can be interpreted in a bad way: 'You are sorry because I am an ass?'. Better say something neutral without offending either side. 'You got it' works only when he was really joking. What if he was serious? It would be even more awkward.

There isnt any good answer for this awkward situation. Only an immature person would give you a hard time like this. If a person reply in a courteous way, he wins votes. My answer shows integrity, honor and wit. It wins respects from others. The best dealing with this situation is a polite short answer and a quick switch to other topics.

The beauty of my reply is that it does NOT offend either party. Of course, the tone and your body language determines how the msg is delivered and how it will be received. It is saying I dont know his past. All I know he is the nicest person. If what you said about him is true that he was hard to get along, he is very nice now.

'"I don't know why he treats you and me differently" could be taken as very offensive. Right? 'It is because I am an ass?'


2-4 are for laughs only. Hope everyone here knows when to chuckle on a joke. For the people who cant figure out when a joke is told. Here are some clues: suck-ups, jam-up, snob.

All you can brag is how other people drooling over your job. How pathetic.

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4 [DrNewbie 于 2010-11-02 13:44:06 提到]
Ur foul mouth cost your job already. You just never learn. You will lose
your job again if you dont know when to hold back your filthy mouth.


You can only take pleasure in getting even by your bragging how the wife of
the boss who fired you left him. You are just plain sick.


BECAUSE YOU HAVE WRITTEN ABOUT THESE FACTS ON PUBLIC WEB SITES, YOU HAVE FORFEITED YOUR PRIVACY.

You are nobody compared with your peers.

Even a monkey can get a score of 50 by throwing darts on a board. So you
think you are smart with scores of 70s? You just got lucky. Period.
Nothing to be proud of.

Talk to anyone who got scores of 70s and ask them whether you just got lucky
or it just doesnt matter. Dont use one case to counter me. Lets talk
about trend or stats.

Your numerous scum filled posts have been deleted by BanZhu. You were so
out of line that even BanZhu was ashamed of you and deleted your mean post
about your ex-boss right after you posted it.

There are many precedents of accomplished people turning into monsters in
their senior years When you were biting every bystander on the street, I
suddenly realized its not me, it is you.

Yes, there are plenty of very smart yet generous, decent people here.

They shoot for much higher goal than you. With your lousy 70s score, no
wonder the best advice you gave to them is to take the less satisfying
prematch. Because you could only get lucky once.

So stop misleading people by using you as an example.

To exclude me from getting info on the medi board, you tried to drag
everyone into ur private club. It just shows how childish you are. Only a
sick person would devise such an evil plan. Even your buddies think you
have gone too far and opened ur private club for public viewing.

You are just a plain sick old man.

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4 [snowfox01 于 2010-11-02 17:25:32 提到] [FROM: 134.74.]
Dr.Newbie:Please be nice to this old man。
难道你没看见你把他生命中唯一的支柱----收集各种贴子,然后大言不惭的copy&post 到自己的网页。给打碎了。同时,他在麦地的“一手遮天” 用那二十年前的狗屁经验来误导新人,也让你给揭穿了。我能理解他的恼羞成怒。他也没几天了,就让他乐呵乐呵吧。

他的英语很好。中国人特别是我们河南人一听就懂。 像“welcome u join my club" 和his is a very unique 8-gua I enjoy to read”还有“I'm sure there you will get more benefits=我坚信在这里你将得到更多的好处。”多么容易的“直”译呀
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5 [DrNewbie 于 2010-11-02 23:00:52 提到]

His best English is:

Bless the God. No wonder people call him the GodFather.
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1 [DrNewbie 于 2010-11-03 23:04:34 提到][删除][修改] [FROM: 98.119.]
REPLY TO THE ATTACHED COMMENT.

"Must" is perfect here. "May" is NOT.

Would anyone use suck-ups, jam-up in a formal interview as in Joke #2? Would this be a clue that it is a joke? Would anyone use snob in Joke #4? A good joke teller does not start with Hey, I am telling you a joke?

The 'Sorry' line could be interpreted in the wrong way. It is Not like you say sorry when some1 is sick.

Your 'I dont know why he treats us differently' is clearly very OFFENSIVE. It insinuated that the interviewer is an ass cause the Boss is the nicest person in the whole world, right? It is so pathetic that your answer is so appreciated by the MadDoc and put on the front page for people to spit at. Have u noticed that Not a single person responded to the MadDoc's comment? Why? So many people hate me to their guts. Why nobody jumped out and LOLed like you? Simple! Cause your answer is offensive.

Read my reply please before you comment. MadDoc initially made the club private. Only under the protests from some righteous people who think he has gone too far, he made it public a few days later.

Because I use 'real world' examples for English writing practice, a private English club is best suited for this purpose. If you didnt know, a couple of thugs on medi routinely harassed me for correcting their English. Btw, your English is superb. Thats why I thought you would want to help us. But you refused. I am truly sorry for this.

Some people get dark humors. Some dont. It is just a matter of personal tastes. Yes, many did think it was funny.

Clearly, you have got the bad influence from MadDoc. You had a very lousy attitude with your LOLs towards my posts. You are smart enough to have got into a medical school. But your lack of manners will hurt your personal and professional life. Doc is a prime example. Hope you dont follow his path.
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2 [dojo 于 2010-11-03 22:31:32 提到][删除] [FROM: 71.163.]
Okay, now you say #2-4 are for laughs only, why didn't you say that in your originial post? You could see that fionaww challenged your #2 answer, but you did not tell her you were kidding. Instead you gave two more answers "for laughs", but did any one actually laugh in that thread, before I responded? Your humor is really sick.

I made it clear that your #1 answer is fine except that you shall not say "must". "Maybe he has changed a lot" is an okay answer, but how could you use "must"?

Your comment on my "sorry to hear that" shows that you don't even understand what "sorry" means here. It is a very common, sympathetic response to any kind of misfortune. If you ever tried to describe something unfortunate in your life to an American, you should have heard this sentence before. The sympathetic American saying this would never ever think that he is sorry because you are an ass. Your thinking is ridiculous.

Finally, your conspiracy theory "To exclude me ... you tried to drag everyone into ur private club" really makes me sick, even though I was never a fan of Lao Dao. Lao Dao's club is PUBLIC, everyone in the world can read it, and I joined it on my own without Lao Dao's any email. YOUR club is PRIVATE, and YOU sent me email twice to try to drag me into ur club.
 
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