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fliiimaster: 受人之托,谈国内大医院专家和红包
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发信人: fliiimaster (三楼楼长), 信区: MedicalCareer
标 题: 受人之托,谈国内大医院专家和红包
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Sat Oct 16 14:18:25 2010, 美东)

先说红包问题。这里我仅讨论北京上海三甲以上级别医院的情况。

尤其在北京,由于国内舆论导向倾向于给医院造谣,制造“八卦”;也由于天子脚下,
政治是非多,派系纷争复杂;再加上目前医生的胃口和现存的收入状况(特别是走穴)
,大医院的“专家级”大夫收红包是非常谨慎的。(看专家门诊的未必就是专家)想送
红包?比共党向保密局安插卧底还难。

具体表现是:对四位数五位数的直接红包兴趣不大;收红包多半经过十分可靠的中间人
介绍人;他可能还需要审查你,主要是探查你的人品(多年的医生,做到这一点可能只
需要几分钟的谈话就能搞定)。

最终收了红包的,一定满足以下条件:数额巨大,十分有诱惑力;介绍人的面子不好驳
(有的时候因为做这个人情,干脆也不收红包了);经过审查,认为病人安全(这个安
全有两层意思,一是人品安全,就算他没有手到病除,你也绝对不会去找他麻烦;二是
病情安全,不会拖泥带水要死要活);病人确实富有,以后会经常有求于他,双方能够
达成长久的互惠。

不送红包,没有什么关系。媒体上宣传的不送红包,大夫就如何如何,纯属扯淡。北京
三甲绝对不会这么愚蠢。

下面谈谈专家。看专家门诊的不一定就是专家。专家门诊只不过是个多收钱的借口。大
多数情况,也用不着专家。专家也不是神仙,在明确诊断之前,他也是半个瞎子。即便
他心中有数,在各种检查证实他的判断之前,他也不会贸然行事,除非急诊分秒必争的
情况。从这个层面上讲,尽早收到病房全面检查,比看所谓专家要重要的多。

下面说说科室。除少数专科医院,内科是全院重点盈利科室,大多数医院的内科是孙子
,外科是大爷。外科就做手术,别的不管。他不管术前检查,也不管术后恢复。进去之
前,要你自己或者内科帮他明确诊断和检查,帮他完成术前准备。住外科当天或者第二
天就手术。下了台没事的,直接转内科,有事的送监护室。反正擦屁股的事情,外科不
干。他们就看病床和手术台周转率。所以,诊断他们并不关心。如果明确诊断是你的首
要目的,最好不要上来就找外科。

最后说说钱怎么花。一个尚未建立关系网的有钱病人,钱不是花在“专家”身上。而是
花在“介绍人”身上。不要找黄牛,他们除了钱,什么都不懂。要找关键环节。比如收
住院,谁是关键?是病房老板,也就是管病房的主治医和护士长。只要他们发话,你马
上就可以住。找其他人,你永远不知道你找的人跟病房老板关系如何。跟病房老板关系
处得好,他会安排得力手下(业务不错,有责任心,而且听老板指挥的住院医)直接负
责你。住院期间,检查是不是及时和全面,细节是不是处理得当(比如术前准备)完全
仰仗这个小住院医。

手术,说过了,不需要额外红包。你只要按照菜单,把最贵的点了(点名费)就成。但
是,手术有难易之分。你不可能指望全院最牛叉的专家给你切阑尾。所以,点名并不意
味着这个专家亲自做,他甚至不一定到场。另外,点谁不点谁也要看病房老板的意思。

不提倡在术前“明确”承诺或兑现大量好处,这样就等于给医方施加压力。但又不能过
分冷淡,那样表示不屑。

有很多东西,可以不经意地试探小住院医、护士长以及病房老板。比如手术当天,如何
对全体医护人员表示表示。举例,给病房外加手术室,如果有必要还有监护室全体订餐
。不要普通盒饭,而是中上档次的餐厅送餐。夏天可以外加冷饮,冬天外加零食和点心
。不用刻意强调,所有人员肯定都知道是你送的。不好说都会对你额外悉心照顾,但至
少不会刁难你。由于各医院各科室情况不同,需要具体情况具体分析。不一定完全按我
说的走。

在确认病人成功诊治完毕可以或者已经出院之后,可以联系病房老板、手术室一同吃饭
或搞活动。在与医院打交道的时候,吃饭或者其他服务性消费是安全的。不要送实物或
现金。

对于直接参与实施医疗服务的医务人员,他们并不指望从你身上得到什么红包。做一名
“好病人”比红包重要。什么是好病人(及其家属)?1,确实病了,需要他们的专业
诊治,但并不十分严重,能治愈或者长期有效控制;2,不随便麻烦人,更不会找麻烦
;3,尊重,至少表示尊重和感谢;4,不过分殷勤,不粘人;5,遵从医嘱;6,不随便找其他专家,尤其是外院的;7,低调,事后守口如瓶。

如果你的病情并非疑难危重,“专家”也就未必有兴趣。也没有闲功夫跟你多说。你对
他的意义最多在与给他增加一个“成功率”。如果你是个慢性病,长期与病房老板或者
稍微高一点点的副教授(副主任医师)保持“友谊”,对以后会很有帮助。高级别的专
家,名利已经双收,对你兴趣不大。这个次高级或者中级就不一样了,他是现管,在具
体事情上(安排床位,安排手术)帮助很大。而且,他们需要更多实惠的东西。他们并
不一定需要钱,实际上他们有很多渠道挣外快,不缺你那一份。但,他们可能需要诸如
户口划片、子女入学升学、配偶的工作、放心实惠的小保姆、市区的住房、银行的贷款
、本人的职称或出国名额、走穴的外地医院、甚至酒后驾车的处罚等等具体问题。如果
能够急人所急地了解和解决这些问题,比红包好使。至于这些工作什么时候进行,进行
到什么程度,都要根据实际情况灵活掌握。如果你没有这个能力,那就老老实实做个普
通病人,他们也不会怎么样。

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※ 修改:·fliiimaster 於 Oct 16 22:35:22 2010 修改本文·[FROM: 69.242.]
※ 来源:·WWW 未名空间站 海外: mitbbs.com 中国: mitbbs.cn·[FROM: 69.242.]

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1   [DrNewbie 于 2010-11-21 02:17:39 提到] [FROM: 98.]


Medi is back to its glory days in the absence of the obnoxious barking from the MadDog!!! Does anyone think there are some indispensable tips he actually learned from his private club? His club is such a joke.

I cant believe this kind of idiot exists in this world. Two words to describe this piece of human trash: shameless and stupid. USMedEdu, aka, MadDog, put the following thread in his blog and bold it in the front page. Yet, clearly, the answers he endorsed are the worst answers. The answer I provided got a nod from an English forum. Does he understand the concept of shame or logic? Not only he speaks/writes shitty English, he cant think straight either. And now he wants to drag everyone down with him. PITY! What kind of dumb ass slaps his own face in public? What a joke!
无极: 住院医生面试碰到的尴尬事( 力刀评注推荐及麦地网友讨论)

Doc has successfully sabotaged a good learning club. At the peak, the pre_resident_english_corner had over 95 members and hundreds of posts. Congratulations! I will jot down a few expressions and new words here and there for myself mostly. Sorry friends. I let you down. You guys are the only losers as the bystanders caught in the cross-fire between the two warring parties. Ironically, both of the two people at war came out as the only two 'winners'. Doc can claim his star power. I can focus on my study.

Clearly, this USMedEd cant think straight anymore at his age. To give his credit where credit is due, he is still good at copying/pasting of the posts written by others. Follow his rubbish advice at your peril. We can write a laundry list of his shitty advice. This is a guy who cant keep his job for long. I am still wondering why he had to side with the losing party in a political struggle at work as he put it in one of his posts. Most people would not get involved. Only confrontational and aggressive douche bags would go for it. They can be burned again and again and are still clueless as it is just bad luck and not their faults whatsoever.

It is not just me saying this. Read this:
[snowfox01 于 2010-11-02 17:25:32 提到] [FROM: 134.74.]
Dr.Newbie:Please be nice to this old man。
难道你没看见你把他生命中唯一的支柱----收集各种贴子,然后大言不惭的copy&post 到自己的网页。给打碎了。同时,他在麦地的“一手遮天” 用那二十年前的狗屁经验来误导新人,也让你给揭穿了。我能理解他的恼羞成怒。他也没几天了,就让他乐呵乐呵吧。

There is no doubt that my English is better than anyone else including Eric and that lumcsomething. I was actually touched by the applications to my club every day during this short time. While I am still trying to figuring out the best way to get people energized and the best way to help, it went kaboom. It is such a pity. Just imagine how much more I can help once I get into residency and finish it.

I am sorry it has gone this far. This dokknife has been attacking me relentlessly on anything I write for no good reason. I have to stand up for myself. He said it himself: He does not care whether I am right or wrong. So he makes it personal. Now, he got it. It is personal between him and me.

Feel free to say hello to me at your leisure. I dont have time to play with this piece of human trash and a sadist who excels in copying/pasting and who cant keep his jobs for long. Let him have his schadenfreude from how the ex-boss who canned him got divorced. Let him brag how successful he is in dismantling a learning place.

Lets watch which comes first: I get into residency or he got fired.

并爱好给人改错的蠢人的发言更充分地反映出其愚蠢和无知,她的所谓良好英语在她的愚蠢脑袋支配下成了砸她自己脚的石头。此人在麦地已经贩卖了无数的垃圾和错误得东西。我实在无法忍受这种蠢人无休无止地误导CMG.
-----Doc.
乌龟总是对眼王八,狼和狈总是为奸。
你和这个混球对上眼很正常。装糊涂装黄花大姑娘真有坐台小姐得姿态嘛。
-----Doc
你这WSN还真是咸吃萝卜蛋操心.
-----Doc
耗子乌龟王八苍蝇和垃圾.
-----Doc
狗屁不懂的蠢货,愚蠢跳粱BSO牛Xer还真是第一次出现。各位可以饱眼福了.
-----Doc
换王八壳子来口水的蠢货的蠢言蠢语愚不可及的暴露,她懂个狗P.
-----Doc
我当我的医生,真也是撑了的,给你这号250上课来了还指望你懂人话呢。俺还真不如去打兔子大雁打网球去了。你这号真是纯粹的生物WSN德性。
-----Doc
向你这号又哭穷和没地方找饭碗,还不愿去换个活法,才真让人烦的WSN德性呢!真该去CT或MRI了!
-----Doc
你丫的又该酸掉几个牙?尔等难怪人家说生物萎缩,真TMD不亏!
-----Doc
说你等装B萎缩吧,你还扭扭捏捏跟坐台的要装黄花大姑娘似的。想来邪的,俺不是
不会更不是没掐过。
-----Doc



You all think this is acceptable and a good presentation of character? What I said back is half what he has said to me. Every time I make an apology to him, I got spit-at-your-face response in return.

It is a pity to see a good club falling apart. At least I have the decency not to use my club as a venting joint. I am sorry that you are put between a rock and a hard place. I will understand if you have to quit the club. You are always welcome to use a majia and check us out. This club is not intended as a base for isolation or a launch pad for personal attacks. It is a place purely devoted to English skills. It is a really a shame that Doc would pull people out of a club just to make people take sides. I dont see how he sabotages an educational club would help his cause. Yes, he has succeeded in pulling 20 people out of my English club and he can claim it is a win-lose-lose situation for himself. But ultimately, it is a lose-lose-lose situation.


1 [DrNewbie 于 2010-11-08 22:03:16 提到][删除][修改] [FROM: 98.119.]
Do you have any traces of honor and integrity left in your body? What a piece of human trash. How hard is it to admit you were wrong? What a stupid, arrogant, crazy bitch. Your bark is worse than your bite. Pathetic loser. You promote a 'clean' medi. Yet, you started a club for the sole purpose of shitting in it.You are a disgrace to the human race.

Read this and you know how it started and what I said is exactly what Doc said to me in English. And he said it a dozen of times to me.

http://www.mitbbs.com/pc/pccon_7773_142905.html

1 [DrNewbie 于 2010-11-08 23:51:41 提到][删除][修改]

What I said is half of what you have said to me. What are you whining about? Be a man. Fight fair and square. Dont just shit in your own compound. You thought you will get sympathy from your followers? What you get is despise from your sympathizers.

2 [DrNewbie 于 2010-11-08 23:05:40 提到][删除][修改]
Clearly you have no comprehension of English. You have a low EQ. You are clueless here. Why dont you shut your mouth? Be a man and make an apology to me. I have apologized to you a dozen of times. What I get is spit-at-my-face every time in return. Do you have any integrity and honor left in u?

3. All said and done. You truly think you gain the upper hand by locking me outside? You truly think I will lose without getting into your club? Seriously, dont flatter yourself. I have connections to match into a good University program already. I personally know a couple of Chinese PDs and American PDs. Give me a break already.

Lexian (蒙古大夫) 于 (Thu Feb 11 12:11:31 2010, 美东) 提到:

I think you are pointing this to me. I can honestly tell you i don't have
any MaJia. never had and never will. I don't hold personal grudge against
anybody, especially this one. it's not worth my time.

However, i think you are biased by assuming people who are against tyranny
and unjust are against anyone specifically. I can only speak for myself
because i really don't know anyone else that got into similar kind of
argument with him. I have no intention of "打击正在做的人", but that doesn't
mean i won't say "WAIT A MINUTE, THIS IS NO RIGHT" when i see posts like
the one i respond to.

As i have stated long long time ago, CMG's history in this country are short
. Our mission goes far beyond getting into residency. A public forum that
attracts examiners, residents and PRACTICING PHYSICIANS is very important in
exchange information and experience. I just can't help laughing when i see
some guy who happen to got into residency wants to "harmonize" the forum. I
can honestly say the game just starts AFTER you graduate. Please refrain
from your "GOD" like euphoria of getting into the residency,

发信人: amanda12 (digest08), 信区: Biology
标 题: Re: 给生物同学们: dojo: 走进美国医学院之旅
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Fri Oct 22 08:01:00 2010, 美东)

我想说的是,作为一名医生,应该有更高的道德标准,宽容心和同情心,医生是和人打
交道的职业,会碰到各种各样人,首先我们想到的是他是我的病人,不管他是杀人犯还
是某某人大代表,穷人和富人,都要统一对待。不会因为别人过激言语或者什么而去计
较,要这有宽容心,能站在他人的角度去理解对方,这才会得到对方的信任。不要动不
动就对别人丢WSN。。。你只会显出你心胸狭隘,既与你的医生身份不配,也会让人鄙
视!以前看过你在丁香园的帖子,貌似你没完成专科移植是因为2老美因为你手术做得
好排挤你。
别人稍与你意见不同就恶言相向,言辞激烈,这是你说服别人的办法吗?是从一名医生
口里出来的话吗?要得到别人的尊重和赞美,同时需要你在本专业的优秀和个人魅力,
一言一行感动别人,取得别人信任,医生更是如此。尊重别人的同时,别人才会尊重你
也许力刀的初衷是好的,但是从他的言语看来,更让人觉得是个暴发户。。。。

发信人: Viky (转身插口袋), 信区: Biology
标 题: Re: 给生物同学们: dojo: 走进美国医学院之旅
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Thu Oct 21 20:03:42 2010, 美东)

只有250才会在网上显摆自己的薪水,当年这厮也显摆自己在osu的薪水,现在总算得到
头的"亲徕"了

发信人: redasuka (EVA-02), 信区: Biology
标 题: Re: 给生物同学们: dojo: 走进美国医学院之旅
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Fri Oct 22 03:59:15 2010, 美东)

没啥奇怪的,考版的那些人本身就花了比一般PhD多得多的时间和精力,当然希望能换
来一点优越感。何况不少大陆的MD最后在北美都是在做内科儿科什么的,每天工作也很
压抑,只好靠贬低别人获得一点心理安慰啦。

说实话,我在这边认识的混得好的中国MD还没有Bio/BME的faculty比率高,绝大多数30
-40岁的Attending还是处在天天接待黑哥们的境界,收入税前也就100k多点。真正混得
好、拿大钱的的MD,那是少数,而且基本都是白人。

不是说老中没有MD混得好的,只不过那些混得好的是人家真牛,在哪一行能牛起来。至
于只是为了混碗饭吃的,还是要多掂量几下自己折腾的起不。

发信人: Kiwixi (kiwi), 信区: Biology
标 题: Re: 给生物同学们: dojo: 走进美国医学院之旅
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Fri Oct 22 04:05:37 2010, 美东)

这斯绝对是凭着CMG来美国弄了一个博后的位子。可想而知,实验室做的一塌糊涂,老
板天天骂,连老婆也看不起,留空就跑到楼外面捡烟屁股抽。
然后就考了版,摇身一变就成了医生。

薪水涨了,心魔却去不了,跟同行比,口音重,年龄大,还是来这里显摆,
打着普渡众生的幌子,年复一年贴几个链接,满足自己的虚荣心。本来考版当医生就是
一个职业,非要搞成一个崇拜一个图腾,入门的教众齐颂文成武德哈里路亚癫狂不已。

你那几个链接还是自己留在记事本里吧。不需要你这样自上而下的伪善。

最后送你几句话,真的是为你好,淡定一些,从容一些,都快半百的人了。

他人骑大马,我独跨驴子,回顾担柴汉,心下较些子。
发信人: snowfox01 (白面狐), 信区: Biology
标 题: Re: 给生物同学们: dojo: 走进美国医学院之旅
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Fri Oct 22 14:16:58 2010, 美东)


我可以理解许多国人为五斗米折腰,想得到需要的信息。但是十年前的经验今天不一定
适用了。而且他像传销一样给许多老CMG False hope,一些老毕业生像打了鸡血一样跟
随他, 做了不且实际的选择, 也不知害了多少家庭。精神病人很可怕, 若他再领着
一帮人, 这帮人真是可怜。 take a look:

发信人: USMedEdu (US_CMGs), 信区: MedicalCareer
标 题: Re: 考版俱乐部(Pre_Resident_Club)成立!
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Fri Oct 22 10:45:26 2010, 美东)

click the link and go to club site to apply. Once you apply there, your ID
will be in waiting list for approval.

发信人: lostknife (麦地俯卧撑), 信区: MedicalCareer
标 题: Re: 考版俱乐部(Pre_Resident_Club)成立!
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Fri Oct 22 13:03:31 2010, 美东)

I fully support the idea and be happy to join.
But it shows:抱歉, 缺少参数, 加入俱乐部失败!
please advise what I should do to join the club.
Thanks.

发信人: lostknife (麦地俯卧撑), 信区: MedicalCareer
标 题: Re: 考版俱乐部(Pre_Resident_Club)成立!
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Fri Oct 22 13:05:16 2010, 美东)

By the way, I am a good-egg who hate the bad-egg!

【 在 meigui0714 (rose) 的大作中提到: 】
: 谢谢你的(USMedEdu)忠告。"听人劝,吃饱饭"。我会好自为之的。
: 但是,一个好的论坛氛围,需要大家的努力。我们做为老生,应该已实事求是的态度引: 导后生们走好,走稳自己的路。人生只有一次,尤其是毕业时间长,没有经历过美国正: 规教育的老生们,我们已经没有"试验”"尝试"的时间了。三思而后行, 一旦做出了决: 定,就不要犹豫,大刀阔fu, 勇往直前。
: 尊敬的老前辈,这里是公共论坛,不是你个人的博客。老了,不但应该"自尊,自爱",: 更要尊重他人的不同看法,意见,这样才能赢得更多的尊敬。“唯我独尊”“我是老: 大我怕谁”的心态是万万要不得的。这里不是"黑色会”,这里不需要“教父”!: 读者的眼睛是雪亮的,这个论坛的读者们都是受过高等教育的,相信他们清楚,谁更浅薄。


发信人: Oncogene (何时问天), 信区: Biology
标 题: Re: 给生物同学们: dojo: 走进美国医学院之旅
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Wed Oct 20 18:22:24 2010, 美东)

不要再“尔等,尔等”的了,让人看了烦。身边考版做医生的太多太多了,也没见几个
这么嚣张的。

我不相信这世界有啥救世主。试图做救世主的,脑袋真的需要MRI啦

发信人: yoyoch (yoyoch), 信区: Biology
标 题: Re: 给生物同学们: dojo: 走进美国医学院之旅
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Wed Oct 20 23:39:59 2010, 美东)

素质,素质。
风度,风度。

发信人: KeeVan (Kevin), 信区: Biology
标 题: Re: 给生物同学们: dojo: 走进美国医学院之旅
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Wed Oct 20 23:57:59 2010, 美东)

你说你瞎急啥。就是因为你没说赚多少钱,但是又说生物wsn泛酸,我没看明白人家为什么泛酸。讨论讨论问题不行啊,你这素质也太低贱了,我看还是别行医了

发信人: pigsun (屁哥~~大圣教候补二师兄), 信区: Biology
标 题: Re: 给生物同学们: dojo: 走进美国医学院之旅
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Thu Oct 21 01:07:33 2010, 美东)

散了吧,老刀确实不是来劝退的,也不是故意显摆,其实,他就是专门来找抽的...
--
哈,说出来心里舒服多哩

发信人: Oncogene (何时问天), 信区: Biology
标 题: Re: 给生物同学们: dojo: 走进美国医学院之旅
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Thu Oct 21 01:25:47 2010, 美东)

我都懒得抽她。这么大年纪了,好好说话会死啊??

发信人: Oncogene (何时问天), 信区: Biology
标 题: Re: 给生物同学们: dojo: 走进美国医学院之旅
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Thu Oct 21 01:33:02 2010, 美东)

最后回你一贴吧:
你还是真是个幻想狂人唉。还有吧,就你这口气和心态,现实中能过得舒服还真是见了鬼了。算了,刚才说了,说你也是白说。你还是好好找工作吧,最好找个$1million/yr的,可千万别把自己的高等生活给葬送了呀,走到今天(昨天)也怪不容易的。。。

发信人: Oncogene (何时问天), 信区: Biology
标 题: Re: 给生物同学们: dojo: 走进美国医学院之旅
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Thu Oct 21 01:48:19 2010, 美东)

^_^,你这风向转的还真快

靠骂别人或者教训别人是不可能有效传播自己的信息的。就这种性格,他下个工作也
干不久,哪个上下级能受得了这种人啊。好象别人没见过钱没见过医生没见过成功
人士一样,一副高高在上的架势,受不了。

发信人: newlily (lily), 信区: Biology
标 题: Re: 给生物同学们: dojo: 走进美国医学院之旅
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Thu Oct 21 09:18:43 2010, 美东)

老刀,本来我是挺尊敬您的,想从您的帖子学点东西,结果谩骂满篇,没有一点有用的东西。

发信人: Viky (转身插口袋), 信区: Biology
标 题: Re: 给生物同学们: dojo: 走进美国医学院之旅
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Thu Oct 21 11:19:53 2010, 美东)

这厮两次被fired了,还特喜欢到处指手画脚

标 题: Re: 给生物同学们: dojo: 走进美国医学院之旅
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Thu Oct 21 14:10:26 2010, 美东)

1.相信大家都有北美工作经验,新chair来了,就辞掉所有的人,可能吗?道是有可能
。。。。,

2.“加拿大拿的工资比美国大学薪水要高一倍可工
: 作量才是美国的1/4(其实俺每天1小时就干完了!)” 这种事情只会发生在社会主义
中国。 加拿大? 你可别弄的跟唐骏似的。
3.你是为了祖国加拿大的医学发展,毅然决然放弃了美国的高薪
工作,回到了加拿大了吧。

发信人: Viky (转身插口袋), 信区: Biology
标 题: Re: 给生物同学们: dojo: 走进美国医学院之旅
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Thu Oct 21 11:31:42 2010, 美东)

正常个p, 被fired了就是被fired, 没见过这么不要脸的


【 在 USMedEdu (US_CMGs) 的大作中提到: 】
: 窝草! 俺自己在网上说过,还怕你来拾俺的鞋后跟泥巴砸俺不成?
: 被新chair辞了,换朝换臣找新工作在北美不是常事吗?哪个医生老死在一个单位的?
: 俺要再显摆一把告诉你俺现在在加拿大拿的工资比美国大学薪水要高一倍可工
: 作量才是美国的1/4(其实俺每天1小时就干完了!)你丫的又该酸掉几个牙?
: 尔等难怪人家说生物萎缩,真TMD不亏!




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1 [Viky 于 2010-11-12 09:42:23 提到][删除] [FROM: 152.11.]
劝 lz别跟那个老250浪费时间了。。
 
2   [DrNewbie 于 2010-11-20 02:13:00 提到] [FROM: 98.]


Medi is back to its glory days in the absence of the obnoxious barking from the MadDog!!! Does anyone think there are some indispensable tips he actually learned from his private club? His club is such a joke.

I cant believe this kind of idiot exists in this world. Two words to describe this piece of human trash: shameless and stupid. USMedEdu, aka, MadDog, put the following thread in his blog and bold it in the front page. Yet, clearly, the answers he endorsed are the worst answers. The answer I provided got a nod from an English forum. Does he understand the concept of shame or logic? Not only he speaks/writes shitty English, he cant think straight either. And now he wants to drag everyone down with him. PITY! What kind of dumb ass slaps his own face in public? What a joke!
无极: 住院医生面试碰到的尴尬事( 力刀评注推荐及麦地网友讨论)

Doc has successfully sabotaged a good learning club. At the peak, the pre_resident_english_corner had over 95 members and hundreds of posts. Congratulations! I will jot down a few expressions and new words here and there for myself mostly. Sorry friends. I let you down. You guys are the only losers as the bystanders caught in the cross-fire between the two warring parties. Ironically, both of the two people at war came out as the only two 'winners'. Doc can claim his star power. I can focus on my study.

Clearly, this USMedEd cant think straight anymore at his age. To give his credit where credit is due, he is still good at copying/pasting of the posts written by others. Follow his rubbish advice at your peril. We can write a laundry list of his shitty advice. This is a guy who cant keep his job for long. I am still wondering why he had to side with the losing party in a political struggle at work as he put it in one of his posts. Most people would not get involved. Only confrontational and aggressive douche bags would go for it. They can be burned again and again and are still clueless as it is just bad luck and not their faults whatsoever.

It is not just me saying this. Read this:
[snowfox01 于 2010-11-02 17:25:32 提到] [FROM: 134.74.]
Dr.Newbie:Please be nice to this old man。
难道你没看见你把他生命中唯一的支柱----收集各种贴子,然后大言不惭的copy&post 到自己的网页。给打碎了。同时,他在麦地的“一手遮天” 用那二十年前的狗屁经验来误导新人,也让你给揭穿了。我能理解他的恼羞成怒。他也没几天了,就让他乐呵乐呵吧。

There is no doubt that my English is better than anyone else including Eric and that lumcsomething. I was actually touched by the applications to my club every day during this short time. While I am still trying to figuring out the best way to get people energized and the best way to help, it went kaboom. It is such a pity. Just imagine how much more I can help once I get into residency and finish it.

I am sorry it has gone this far. This dokknife has been attacking me relentlessly on anything I write for no good reason. I have to stand up for myself. He said it himself: He does not care whether I am right or wrong. So he makes it personal. Now, he got it. It is personal between him and me.

Feel free to say hello to me at your leisure. I dont have time to play with this piece of human trash and a sadist who excels in copying/pasting and who cant keep his jobs for long. Let him have his schadenfreude from how the ex-boss who canned him got divorced. Let him brag how successful he is in dismantling a learning place.

Lets watch which comes first: I get into residency or he got fired.

并爱好给人改错的蠢人的发言更充分地反映出其愚蠢和无知,她的所谓良好英语在她的愚蠢脑袋支配下成了砸她自己脚的石头。此人在麦地已经贩卖了无数的垃圾和错误得东西。我实在无法忍受这种蠢人无休无止地误导CMG.
-----Doc.
乌龟总是对眼王八,狼和狈总是为奸。
你和这个混球对上眼很正常。装糊涂装黄花大姑娘真有坐台小姐得姿态嘛。
-----Doc
你这WSN还真是咸吃萝卜蛋操心.
-----Doc
耗子乌龟王八苍蝇和垃圾.
-----Doc
狗屁不懂的蠢货,愚蠢跳粱BSO牛Xer还真是第一次出现。各位可以饱眼福了.
-----Doc
换王八壳子来口水的蠢货的蠢言蠢语愚不可及的暴露,她懂个狗P.
-----Doc
我当我的医生,真也是撑了的,给你这号250上课来了还指望你懂人话呢。俺还真不如去打兔子大雁打网球去了。你这号真是纯粹的生物WSN德性。
-----Doc
向你这号又哭穷和没地方找饭碗,还不愿去换个活法,才真让人烦的WSN德性呢!真该去CT或MRI了!
-----Doc
你丫的又该酸掉几个牙?尔等难怪人家说生物萎缩,真TMD不亏!
-----Doc
说你等装B萎缩吧,你还扭扭捏捏跟坐台的要装黄花大姑娘似的。想来邪的,俺不是
不会更不是没掐过。
-----Doc



You all think this is acceptable and a good presentation of character? What I said back is half what he has said to me. Every time I make an apology to him, I got spit-at-your-face response in return.

It is a pity to see a good club falling apart. At least I have the decency not to use my club as a venting joint. I am sorry that you are put between a rock and a hard place. I will understand if you have to quit the club. You are always welcome to use a majia and check us out. This club is not intended as a base for isolation or a launch pad for personal attacks. It is a place purely devoted to English skills. It is a really a shame that Doc would pull people out of a club just to make people take sides. I dont see how he sabotages an educational club would help his cause. Yes, he has succeeded in pulling 20 people out of my English club and he can claim it is a win-lose-lose situation for himself. But ultimately, it is a lose-lose-lose situation.


1 [DrNewbie 于 2010-11-08 22:03:16 提到][删除][修改] [FROM: 98.119.]
Do you have any traces of honor and integrity left in your body? What a piece of human trash. How hard is it to admit you were wrong? What a stupid, arrogant, crazy bitch. Your bark is worse than your bite. Pathetic loser. You promote a 'clean' medi. Yet, you started a club for the sole purpose of shitting in it.You are a disgrace to the human race.

Read this and you know how it started and what I said is exactly what Doc said to me in English. And he said it a dozen of times to me.

http://www.mitbbs.com/pc/pccon_7773_142905.html

1 [DrNewbie 于 2010-11-08 23:51:41 提到][删除][修改]

What I said is half of what you have said to me. What are you whining about? Be a man. Fight fair and square. Dont just shit in your own compound. You thought you will get sympathy from your followers? What you get is despise from your sympathizers.

2 [DrNewbie 于 2010-11-08 23:05:40 提到][删除][修改]
Clearly you have no comprehension of English. You have a low EQ. You are clueless here. Why dont you shut your mouth? Be a man and make an apology to me. I have apologized to you a dozen of times. What I get is spit-at-my-face every time in return. Do you have any integrity and honor left in u?

3. All said and done. You truly think you gain the upper hand by locking me outside? You truly think I will lose without getting into your club? Seriously, dont flatter yourself. I have connections to match into a good University program already. I personally know a couple of Chinese PDs and American PDs. Give me a break already.

Lexian (蒙古大夫) 于 (Thu Feb 11 12:11:31 2010, 美东) 提到:

I think you are pointing this to me. I can honestly tell you i don't have
any MaJia. never had and never will. I don't hold personal grudge against
anybody, especially this one. it's not worth my time.

However, i think you are biased by assuming people who are against tyranny
and unjust are against anyone specifically. I can only speak for myself
because i really don't know anyone else that got into similar kind of
argument with him. I have no intention of "打击正在做的人", but that doesn't
mean i won't say "WAIT A MINUTE, THIS IS NO RIGHT" when i see posts like
the one i respond to.

As i have stated long long time ago, CMG's history in this country are short
. Our mission goes far beyond getting into residency. A public forum that
attracts examiners, residents and PRACTICING PHYSICIANS is very important in
exchange information and experience. I just can't help laughing when i see
some guy who happen to got into residency wants to "harmonize" the forum. I
can honestly say the game just starts AFTER you graduate. Please refrain
from your "GOD" like euphoria of getting into the residency,

发信人: amanda12 (digest08), 信区: Biology
标 题: Re: 给生物同学们: dojo: 走进美国医学院之旅
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Fri Oct 22 08:01:00 2010, 美东)

我想说的是,作为一名医生,应该有更高的道德标准,宽容心和同情心,医生是和人打
交道的职业,会碰到各种各样人,首先我们想到的是他是我的病人,不管他是杀人犯还
是某某人大代表,穷人和富人,都要统一对待。不会因为别人过激言语或者什么而去计
较,要这有宽容心,能站在他人的角度去理解对方,这才会得到对方的信任。不要动不
动就对别人丢WSN。。。你只会显出你心胸狭隘,既与你的医生身份不配,也会让人鄙
视!以前看过你在丁香园的帖子,貌似你没完成专科移植是因为2老美因为你手术做得
好排挤你。
别人稍与你意见不同就恶言相向,言辞激烈,这是你说服别人的办法吗?是从一名医生
口里出来的话吗?要得到别人的尊重和赞美,同时需要你在本专业的优秀和个人魅力,
一言一行感动别人,取得别人信任,医生更是如此。尊重别人的同时,别人才会尊重你
也许力刀的初衷是好的,但是从他的言语看来,更让人觉得是个暴发户。。。。

发信人: Viky (转身插口袋), 信区: Biology
标 题: Re: 给生物同学们: dojo: 走进美国医学院之旅
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Thu Oct 21 20:03:42 2010, 美东)

只有250才会在网上显摆自己的薪水,当年这厮也显摆自己在osu的薪水,现在总算得到
头的"亲徕"了

发信人: redasuka (EVA-02), 信区: Biology
标 题: Re: 给生物同学们: dojo: 走进美国医学院之旅
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Fri Oct 22 03:59:15 2010, 美东)

没啥奇怪的,考版的那些人本身就花了比一般PhD多得多的时间和精力,当然希望能换
来一点优越感。何况不少大陆的MD最后在北美都是在做内科儿科什么的,每天工作也很
压抑,只好靠贬低别人获得一点心理安慰啦。

说实话,我在这边认识的混得好的中国MD还没有Bio/BME的faculty比率高,绝大多数30
-40岁的Attending还是处在天天接待黑哥们的境界,收入税前也就100k多点。真正混得
好、拿大钱的的MD,那是少数,而且基本都是白人。

不是说老中没有MD混得好的,只不过那些混得好的是人家真牛,在哪一行能牛起来。至
于只是为了混碗饭吃的,还是要多掂量几下自己折腾的起不。

发信人: Kiwixi (kiwi), 信区: Biology
标 题: Re: 给生物同学们: dojo: 走进美国医学院之旅
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Fri Oct 22 04:05:37 2010, 美东)

这斯绝对是凭着CMG来美国弄了一个博后的位子。可想而知,实验室做的一塌糊涂,老
板天天骂,连老婆也看不起,留空就跑到楼外面捡烟屁股抽。
然后就考了版,摇身一变就成了医生。

薪水涨了,心魔却去不了,跟同行比,口音重,年龄大,还是来这里显摆,
打着普渡众生的幌子,年复一年贴几个链接,满足自己的虚荣心。本来考版当医生就是
一个职业,非要搞成一个崇拜一个图腾,入门的教众齐颂文成武德哈里路亚癫狂不已。

你那几个链接还是自己留在记事本里吧。不需要你这样自上而下的伪善。

最后送你几句话,真的是为你好,淡定一些,从容一些,都快半百的人了。

他人骑大马,我独跨驴子,回顾担柴汉,心下较些子。
发信人: snowfox01 (白面狐), 信区: Biology
标 题: Re: 给生物同学们: dojo: 走进美国医学院之旅
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Fri Oct 22 14:16:58 2010, 美东)


我可以理解许多国人为五斗米折腰,想得到需要的信息。但是十年前的经验今天不一定
适用了。而且他像传销一样给许多老CMG False hope,一些老毕业生像打了鸡血一样跟
随他, 做了不且实际的选择, 也不知害了多少家庭。精神病人很可怕, 若他再领着
一帮人, 这帮人真是可怜。 take a look:

发信人: USMedEdu (US_CMGs), 信区: MedicalCareer
标 题: Re: 考版俱乐部(Pre_Resident_Club)成立!
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Fri Oct 22 10:45:26 2010, 美东)

click the link and go to club site to apply. Once you apply there, your ID
will be in waiting list for approval.

发信人: lostknife (麦地俯卧撑), 信区: MedicalCareer
标 题: Re: 考版俱乐部(Pre_Resident_Club)成立!
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Fri Oct 22 13:03:31 2010, 美东)

I fully support the idea and be happy to join.
But it shows:抱歉, 缺少参数, 加入俱乐部失败!
please advise what I should do to join the club.
Thanks.

发信人: lostknife (麦地俯卧撑), 信区: MedicalCareer
标 题: Re: 考版俱乐部(Pre_Resident_Club)成立!
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Fri Oct 22 13:05:16 2010, 美东)

By the way, I am a good-egg who hate the bad-egg!

【 在 meigui0714 (rose) 的大作中提到: 】
: 谢谢你的(USMedEdu)忠告。"听人劝,吃饱饭"。我会好自为之的。
: 但是,一个好的论坛氛围,需要大家的努力。我们做为老生,应该已实事求是的态度引: 导后生们走好,走稳自己的路。人生只有一次,尤其是毕业时间长,没有经历过美国正: 规教育的老生们,我们已经没有"试验”"尝试"的时间了。三思而后行, 一旦做出了决: 定,就不要犹豫,大刀阔fu, 勇往直前。
: 尊敬的老前辈,这里是公共论坛,不是你个人的博客。老了,不但应该"自尊,自爱",: 更要尊重他人的不同看法,意见,这样才能赢得更多的尊敬。“唯我独尊”“我是老: 大我怕谁”的心态是万万要不得的。这里不是"黑色会”,这里不需要“教父”!: 读者的眼睛是雪亮的,这个论坛的读者们都是受过高等教育的,相信他们清楚,谁更浅薄。


发信人: Oncogene (何时问天), 信区: Biology
标 题: Re: 给生物同学们: dojo: 走进美国医学院之旅
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Wed Oct 20 18:22:24 2010, 美东)

不要再“尔等,尔等”的了,让人看了烦。身边考版做医生的太多太多了,也没见几个
这么嚣张的。

我不相信这世界有啥救世主。试图做救世主的,脑袋真的需要MRI啦

发信人: yoyoch (yoyoch), 信区: Biology
标 题: Re: 给生物同学们: dojo: 走进美国医学院之旅
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Wed Oct 20 23:39:59 2010, 美东)

素质,素质。
风度,风度。

发信人: KeeVan (Kevin), 信区: Biology
标 题: Re: 给生物同学们: dojo: 走进美国医学院之旅
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Wed Oct 20 23:57:59 2010, 美东)

你说你瞎急啥。就是因为你没说赚多少钱,但是又说生物wsn泛酸,我没看明白人家为什么泛酸。讨论讨论问题不行啊,你这素质也太低贱了,我看还是别行医了

发信人: pigsun (屁哥~~大圣教候补二师兄), 信区: Biology
标 题: Re: 给生物同学们: dojo: 走进美国医学院之旅
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Thu Oct 21 01:07:33 2010, 美东)

散了吧,老刀确实不是来劝退的,也不是故意显摆,其实,他就是专门来找抽的...
--
哈,说出来心里舒服多哩

发信人: Oncogene (何时问天), 信区: Biology
标 题: Re: 给生物同学们: dojo: 走进美国医学院之旅
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Thu Oct 21 01:25:47 2010, 美东)

我都懒得抽她。这么大年纪了,好好说话会死啊??

发信人: Oncogene (何时问天), 信区: Biology
标 题: Re: 给生物同学们: dojo: 走进美国医学院之旅
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Thu Oct 21 01:33:02 2010, 美东)

最后回你一贴吧:
你还是真是个幻想狂人唉。还有吧,就你这口气和心态,现实中能过得舒服还真是见了鬼了。算了,刚才说了,说你也是白说。你还是好好找工作吧,最好找个$1million/yr的,可千万别把自己的高等生活给葬送了呀,走到今天(昨天)也怪不容易的。。。

发信人: Oncogene (何时问天), 信区: Biology
标 题: Re: 给生物同学们: dojo: 走进美国医学院之旅
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Thu Oct 21 01:48:19 2010, 美东)

^_^,你这风向转的还真快

靠骂别人或者教训别人是不可能有效传播自己的信息的。就这种性格,他下个工作也
干不久,哪个上下级能受得了这种人啊。好象别人没见过钱没见过医生没见过成功
人士一样,一副高高在上的架势,受不了。

发信人: newlily (lily), 信区: Biology
标 题: Re: 给生物同学们: dojo: 走进美国医学院之旅
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Thu Oct 21 09:18:43 2010, 美东)

老刀,本来我是挺尊敬您的,想从您的帖子学点东西,结果谩骂满篇,没有一点有用的东西。

发信人: Viky (转身插口袋), 信区: Biology
标 题: Re: 给生物同学们: dojo: 走进美国医学院之旅
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Thu Oct 21 11:19:53 2010, 美东)

这厮两次被fired了,还特喜欢到处指手画脚

标 题: Re: 给生物同学们: dojo: 走进美国医学院之旅
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Thu Oct 21 14:10:26 2010, 美东)

1.相信大家都有北美工作经验,新chair来了,就辞掉所有的人,可能吗?道是有可能
。。。。,

2.“加拿大拿的工资比美国大学薪水要高一倍可工
: 作量才是美国的1/4(其实俺每天1小时就干完了!)” 这种事情只会发生在社会主义
中国。 加拿大? 你可别弄的跟唐骏似的。
3.你是为了祖国加拿大的医学发展,毅然决然放弃了美国的高薪
工作,回到了加拿大了吧。

发信人: Viky (转身插口袋), 信区: Biology
标 题: Re: 给生物同学们: dojo: 走进美国医学院之旅
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Thu Oct 21 11:31:42 2010, 美东)

正常个p, 被fired了就是被fired, 没见过这么不要脸的


【 在 USMedEdu (US_CMGs) 的大作中提到: 】
: 窝草! 俺自己在网上说过,还怕你来拾俺的鞋后跟泥巴砸俺不成?
: 被新chair辞了,换朝换臣找新工作在北美不是常事吗?哪个医生老死在一个单位的?
: 俺要再显摆一把告诉你俺现在在加拿大拿的工资比美国大学薪水要高一倍可工
: 作量才是美国的1/4(其实俺每天1小时就干完了!)你丫的又该酸掉几个牙?
: 尔等难怪人家说生物萎缩,真TMD不亏!




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劝 lz别跟那个老250浪费时间了。。
 
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