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Urologist Arrested for Attacks on Chinese Whistleblowers
by Hao Xin on 23 September 2010, 11:00 AM

BEIJING¡ªThe police bureau here announced Tuesday evening that they
have detained the suspected mastermind behind assaults on China's
science misconduct watchdog Fang Shimin (aka Fang Zhouzi) and
journalist Fang Xuanchang. (The two Fangs are not related.)

Earlier on 21 September, police detained Xiao Chuanguo, chief urology
surgeon at the Tongji Hospital affiliated with Huazhong University of
Science and Technology (HUST) in Wuhan, after Xiao returned from a
trip to Argentina. According to a Beijing police report published
online, Xiao believed that the Fangs' muckraking investigation of his
academic achievements resulted in his failure to be elected a member
of the Chinese Academy of Sciences (CAS). Chinese media have reported
that, according to a police briefing, Xiao paid about $15,000 to a
distant relative, who allegedly arranged the assaults on Fang
Xuanchang in June and Fang Zhouzi in August. Police took the relative
and two accomplices into custody earlier this month.

The bone of contention between Xiao and the Fangs is a surgical
procedure Xiao developed that he claimed can help patients with spinal
cord injury and spina bifida to restore some control over bladder and
bowl movements. After seeing material supporting Xiao's nomination as
member of CAS in 2005, Fang Zhouzi asserted on his Web site, New
Threads, that Xiao's procedure was not nearly as internationally
famous as Xiao claimed and alleged that Xiao exploited the Chinese
public's inability to access information in English to inflate his
achievement. Xiao sued Fang for libel in a Wuhan court and won in 2006,
but attempts to sue Fang in Beijing courts failed.

Last December, while working for the biweekly Chinese Science News,
Fang Xuanchang edited a series of investigative reports on Xiao's
procedure, which has been performed on thousands of Chinese patients,
according to Xiao. Before the Ministry of Health in May 2009 issued
regulations banning the clinical application of unproven and
controversial medical procedures such as stem cell therapy, some
Chinese hospitals peddled experimental procedures to make more money.
It's not clear whether Xiao's procedure falls in the banned category,
but no clinical trials have been conducted in China to prove its
efficacy. Many prospective patients were enticed by the touted 85%
success rate. Since publication of the investigative reports, however,
"the number of patients seeking treatment has fallen sharply," says
Jia Hepeng, editor-in-chief of Chinese Science News.

The procedure also caught the attention of Kenneth Peters, director of
urology research at the William Beaumont Hospital in Royal Oak,
Michigan, who launched a phase II clinical trial at his hospital (see
also an Associated Press report). Trial results have not been published.
Peters also obtained two grants from the National Institute of Health
to study the safety and efficacy of the procedure for treating spina
bifida patients. According to a description in his grant proposal,
preliminary results show that seven out of nine patients who received
the treatment have shown improvements. Peters did not respond to an
e-mail request for comment.

Xiao could not be reached for comment. His employer, HUST, yesterday
issued an online statement that said the university was shocked by the
police investigation into Xiao's alleged crime of intentional injury
to others. The statement says that the university will follow the case
closely and take appropriate action once the judicial system renders
its verdict.

(XYS20100925)



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1   [DrNewbie ÓÚ 2010-11-21 02:19:56 Ìáµ½] [FROM: 98.]


Medi is back to its glory days in the absence of the obnoxious barking from the MadDog!!! Does anyone think there are some indispensable tips he actually learned from his private club? His club is such a joke.

I cant believe this kind of idiot exists in this world. Two words to describe this piece of human trash: shameless and stupid. USMedEdu, aka, MadDog, put the following thread in his blog and bold it in the front page. Yet, clearly, the answers he endorsed are the worst answers. The answer I provided got a nod from an English forum. Does he understand the concept of shame or logic? Not only he speaks/writes shitty English, he cant think straight either. And now he wants to drag everyone down with him. PITY! What kind of dumb ass slaps his own face in public? What a joke!
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Doc has successfully sabotaged a good learning club. At the peak, the pre_resident_english_corner had over 95 members and hundreds of posts. Congratulations! I will jot down a few expressions and new words here and there for myself mostly. Sorry friends. I let you down. You guys are the only losers as the bystanders caught in the cross-fire between the two warring parties. Ironically, both of the two people at war came out as the only two 'winners'. Doc can claim his star power. I can focus on my study.

Clearly, this USMedEd cant think straight anymore at his age. To give his credit where credit is due, he is still good at copying/pasting of the posts written by others. Follow his rubbish advice at your peril. We can write a laundry list of his shitty advice. This is a guy who cant keep his job for long. I am still wondering why he had to side with the losing party in a political struggle at work as he put it in one of his posts. Most people would not get involved. Only confrontational and aggressive douche bags would go for it. They can be burned again and again and are still clueless as it is just bad luck and not their faults whatsoever.

It is not just me saying this. Read this:
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There is no doubt that my English is better than anyone else including Eric and that lumcsomething. I was actually touched by the applications to my club every day during this short time. While I am still trying to figuring out the best way to get people energized and the best way to help, it went kaboom. It is such a pity. Just imagine how much more I can help once I get into residency and finish it.

I am sorry it has gone this far. This dokknife has been attacking me relentlessly on anything I write for no good reason. I have to stand up for myself. He said it himself: He does not care whether I am right or wrong. So he makes it personal. Now, he got it. It is personal between him and me.

Feel free to say hello to me at your leisure. I dont have time to play with this piece of human trash and a sadist who excels in copying/pasting and who cant keep his jobs for long. Let him have his schadenfreude from how the ex-boss who canned him got divorced. Let him brag how successful he is in dismantling a learning place.

Lets watch which comes first: I get into residency or he got fired.

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You all think this is acceptable and a good presentation of character? What I said back is half what he has said to me. Every time I make an apology to him, I got spit-at-your-face response in return.

It is a pity to see a good club falling apart. At least I have the decency not to use my club as a venting joint. I am sorry that you are put between a rock and a hard place. I will understand if you have to quit the club. You are always welcome to use a majia and check us out. This club is not intended as a base for isolation or a launch pad for personal attacks. It is a place purely devoted to English skills. It is a really a shame that Doc would pull people out of a club just to make people take sides. I dont see how he sabotages an educational club would help his cause. Yes, he has succeeded in pulling 20 people out of my English club and he can claim it is a win-lose-lose situation for himself. But ultimately, it is a lose-lose-lose situation.


1 [DrNewbie ÓÚ 2010-11-08 22:03:16 Ìáµ½][ɾ³ý][ÐÞ¸Ä] [FROM: 98.119.]
Do you have any traces of honor and integrity left in your body? What a piece of human trash. How hard is it to admit you were wrong? What a stupid, arrogant, crazy bitch. Your bark is worse than your bite. Pathetic loser. You promote a 'clean' medi. Yet, you started a club for the sole purpose of shitting in it.You are a disgrace to the human race.

Read this and you know how it started and what I said is exactly what Doc said to me in English. And he said it a dozen of times to me.

http://www.mitbbs.com/pc/pccon_7773_142905.html

1 [DrNewbie ÓÚ 2010-11-08 23:51:41 Ìáµ½][ɾ³ý][ÐÞ¸Ä]

What I said is half of what you have said to me. What are you whining about? Be a man. Fight fair and square. Dont just shit in your own compound. You thought you will get sympathy from your followers? What you get is despise from your sympathizers.

2 [DrNewbie ÓÚ 2010-11-08 23:05:40 Ìáµ½][ɾ³ý][ÐÞ¸Ä]
Clearly you have no comprehension of English. You have a low EQ. You are clueless here. Why dont you shut your mouth? Be a man and make an apology to me. I have apologized to you a dozen of times. What I get is spit-at-my-face every time in return. Do you have any integrity and honor left in u?

3. All said and done. You truly think you gain the upper hand by locking me outside? You truly think I will lose without getting into your club? Seriously, dont flatter yourself. I have connections to match into a good University program already. I personally know a couple of Chinese PDs and American PDs. Give me a break already.

Lexian (ÃɹŴó·ò) ÓÚ (Thu Feb 11 12:11:31 2010, ÃÀ¶«) Ìáµ½:

I think you are pointing this to me. I can honestly tell you i don't have
any MaJia. never had and never will. I don't hold personal grudge against
anybody, especially this one. it's not worth my time.

However, i think you are biased by assuming people who are against tyranny
and unjust are against anyone specifically. I can only speak for myself
because i really don't know anyone else that got into similar kind of
argument with him. I have no intention of "´ò»÷ÕýÔÚ×öµÄÈË", but that doesn't
mean i won't say "WAIT A MINUTE, THIS IS NO RIGHT" when i see posts like
the one i respond to.

As i have stated long long time ago, CMG's history in this country are short
. Our mission goes far beyond getting into residency. A public forum that
attracts examiners, residents and PRACTICING PHYSICIANS is very important in
exchange information and experience. I just can't help laughing when i see
some guy who happen to got into residency wants to "harmonize" the forum. I
can honestly say the game just starts AFTER you graduate. Please refrain
from your "GOD" like euphoria of getting into the residency,

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You could have said back, Ohh, he must have changed quite a bit.
Or he only gets along well with suck-ups. I jam him up real good.

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hehehehe.

Third one: Am I such a charming person that I get along so well with him? Or Am I personable that we get along so well.

Fourth one: You should be happy with my people skills now right? Since I can get along with this snob.

If you love my answers and you get my sick humor, please join my club:

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The rest are for professionals only. No imitation by amateurs.
The 1st is witty. The 2nd is humor.


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I agree. I assume you are a cute girl, and probably got a high remark from
him, otherwise he won't say this political incorrect thing. Go back ask your
boss whatever he said is true or not, then Send him a nice followup email
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The old people always have some ͯÐÄ£¬he tried to say "got you", just be his
way and do something satisfy his joke. Now matter how smart you are, just
pretend "he got you".

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table completely opposite.
American would anwer: "you are good" or "you got me".

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Does it matter whether he has changed or not? NO! The best way is to switch gears right away with a neutral, courteous comment. 'Sorry to hear that' is NOT nice at all. Either is 'u got me'. You really have no idea what happened between these two. Could be something nasty. Or his reply could be just a joke. Either way, it is best not to get involved. Along this line, there is no reason to be 'SINCERELY' sorry for it. The 'sorry' line can be interpreted in a bad way: 'You are sorry because I am an ass?'. Better say something neutral without offending either side. 'You got it' works only when he was really joking. What if he was serious? It would be even more awkward.

There isnt any good answer for this awkward situation. Only an immature person would give you a hard time like this. If a person reply in a courteous way, he wins votes. My answer shows integrity, honor and wit. It wins respects from others. The best dealing with this situation is a polite short answer and a quick switch to other topics.

The beauty of my reply is that it does NOT offend either party. Of course, the tone and your body language determines how the msg is delivered and how it will be received. It is saying I dont know his past. All I know he is the nicest person. If what you said about him is true that he was hard to get along, he is very nice now.

'"I don't know why he treats you and me differently" could be taken as very offensive. Right? 'It is because I am an ass?'


2-4 are for laughs only. Hope everyone here knows when to chuckle on a joke. For the people who cant figure out when a joke is told. Here are some clues: suck-ups, jam-up, snob.

All you can brag is how other people drooling over your job. How pathetic.

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4 [DrNewbie ÓÚ 2010-11-02 13:44:06 Ìáµ½]
Ur foul mouth cost your job already. You just never learn. You will lose
your job again if you dont know when to hold back your filthy mouth.


You can only take pleasure in getting even by your bragging how the wife of
the boss who fired you left him. You are just plain sick.


BECAUSE YOU HAVE WRITTEN ABOUT THESE FACTS ON PUBLIC WEB SITES, YOU HAVE FORFEITED YOUR PRIVACY.

You are nobody compared with your peers.

Even a monkey can get a score of 50 by throwing darts on a board. So you
think you are smart with scores of 70s? You just got lucky. Period.
Nothing to be proud of.

Talk to anyone who got scores of 70s and ask them whether you just got lucky
or it just doesnt matter. Dont use one case to counter me. Lets talk
about trend or stats.

Your numerous scum filled posts have been deleted by BanZhu. You were so
out of line that even BanZhu was ashamed of you and deleted your mean post
about your ex-boss right after you posted it.

There are many precedents of accomplished people turning into monsters in
their senior years When you were biting every bystander on the street, I
suddenly realized its not me, it is you.

Yes, there are plenty of very smart yet generous, decent people here.

They shoot for much higher goal than you. With your lousy 70s score, no
wonder the best advice you gave to them is to take the less satisfying
prematch. Because you could only get lucky once.

So stop misleading people by using you as an example.

To exclude me from getting info on the medi board, you tried to drag
everyone into ur private club. It just shows how childish you are. Only a
sick person would devise such an evil plan. Even your buddies think you
have gone too far and opened ur private club for public viewing.

You are just a plain sick old man.

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His best English is:

Bless the God. No wonder people call him the GodFather.
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This is taken from USMedEdu's blog, NOT from his private club. After USMedEdu had made the nasty comments, people consulted a few people and below are some answers confirming that DrNewbie's response is good. Others are NOT appropriate.

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BTW, I don't want to see my threads on this one to be appeared in the
MedicalCareer Board. Thanks.

Well, this is a bit tricky because it's not just a language question,
you're also asking how the situation should be interpreted (which is
difficult to do if you weren't present) and how to respond in a
difficult situation (which can be awkward even in your native language).

Option 1) I would think the old gentleman rather strange if this was
what he was doing, but who knows? In any case, I wouldn't reply "oops,
you got me", as you probably don't really want to say to him "I think
you just tried to trap me in an awkward situation", even if that was in
fact what he was indeed trying to do. It also may sound as though you
were just pretending to like the advisor, whereas in fact you are now
acknowledging that he is unlikeable.

Option 2) Possible, but it sounds a bit strange. You're more likely to
say "I'm sorry to hear that" if you hear that someone has died, or some
other unfortunate event has occurred.

Option 3) ¡®I guess he must have changed.' --Probably the best of your
suggestions, in my opinion - you are sticking by your original opinion
of the advisor, whilst acknowledging that the old man might have had a
different experience. It is a good, diplomatic response.




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> I have another random question. During interviews, sometimes the
> >interviewer came up with a follow-up question that put me in an awkward
> >position, and I'm not exactly sure what's the best way to answer. For
> >example, one interviewer would ask with a smile "How did you meet Dr. X
> >(one of my advisers)? I knew him because we cooperated many years ago."
> >I'm of course happy that there is a connection, so I would describe my
> >encounter with Dr. X in great detail, and say something like Dr. X is
> >the nicest person I've ever met. But then the interviewer would
> >follow-up, still with a smile, and say "actually, I was not getting
> >along with him very well at that time." What shall I say in this awkward
> >situation? Shall I try to sympathize with him and say "sorry to hear
> >that, I don't why he treated you and me differently"? Or shall I
> >reaffirm my position and say "he must have changed a lot"? Or shall I
> >just downplay and say "you got me"?

I think the best way to deal with it is to just say something like "I'm
sorry you had that experience." Nothing more is indicated. But, it's
very odd for an interviewer to put you on the spot like that. Shows poor
interviewing skills on his/her part.

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If you ask you your consultant that you want to reaffirm your position, of course it is not very appropriate. But if you say it in a way that it serves only as a topic switching comment and in a non-confrontational fashion, it is actually a better choice. The 'changed' line is not intended to argue about his boss' character. It is not relevant to his IV, and not worth debating about.

See below from someone else:
"Option 3)
¡®I guess he must have changed.' --Probably the best of your
suggestions, in my opinion - you are sticking by your original opinion
of the advisor, whilst acknowledging that the old man might have had a
different experience. It is a good, diplomatic response.".
-----DrNewbie.
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·¢ÐÅÕ¾: BBS δÃû¿Õ¼äÕ¾ (Fri Nov 5 23:46:18 2010, ÃÀ¶«)

hehe, actually I just talked with my attendings today too and got the same comment.

Just simply say:" I am sorry to hear that. I didn't know you had that
experience with him." Because the interviewee already pushed himself to the
corner, don't say more except simply acknowledging the fact.

2 [DrNewbie ÓÚ 2010-11-03 23:04:34 Ìáµ½][ɾ³ý][ÐÞ¸Ä] [FROM: 98.119.]
REPLY TO THE ATTACHED COMMENT.

"Must" is perfect here. "May" is NOT.

Would anyone use suck-ups, jam-up in a formal interview as in Joke #2? Would this be a clue that it is a joke? Would anyone use snob in Joke #4? A good joke teller does not start with Hey, I am telling you a joke?

The 'Sorry' line could be interpreted in the wrong way. It is Not like you say sorry when some1 is sick.

Your 'I dont know why he treats us differently' is clearly very OFFENSIVE. It insinuated that the interviewer is an ass cause the Boss is the nicest person in the whole world, right? It is so pathetic that your answer is so appreciated by the MadDoc and put on the front page for people to spit at. Have u noticed that Not a single person responded to the MadDoc's comment? Why? So many people hate me to their guts. Why nobody jumped out and LOLed like you? Simple! Cause your answer is offensive.

Read my reply please before you comment. MadDoc initially made the club private. Only under the protests from some righteous people who think he has gone too far, he made it public a few days later.

Because I use 'real world' examples for English writing practice, a private English club is best suited for this purpose. If you didnt know, a couple of thugs on medi routinely harassed me for correcting their English. Btw, your English is superb. Thats why I thought you would want to help us. But you refused. I am truly sorry for this.

Some people get dark humors. Some dont. It is just a matter of personal tastes. Yes, many did think it was funny.

Clearly, you have got the bad influence from MadDoc. You had a very lousy attitude with your LOLs towards my posts. You are smart enough to have got into a medical school. But your lack of manners will hurt your personal and professional life. Doc is a prime example. Hope you dont follow his path.
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2 [dojo ÓÚ 2010-11-03 22:31:32 Ìáµ½][ɾ³ý] [FROM: 71.163.]
Okay, now you say #2-4 are for laughs only, why didn't you say that in your originial post? You could see that fionaww challenged your #2 answer, but you did not tell her you were kidding. Instead you gave two more answers "for laughs", but did any one actually laugh in that thread, before I responded? Your humor is really sick.

I made it clear that your #1 answer is fine except that you shall not say "must". "Maybe he has changed a lot" is an okay answer, but how could you use "must"?

Your comment on my "sorry to hear that" shows that you don't even understand what "sorry" means here. It is a very common, sympathetic response to any kind of misfortune. If you ever tried to describe something unfortunate in your life to an American, you should have heard this sentence before. The sympathetic American saying this would never ever think that he is sorry because you are an ass. Your thinking is ridiculous.

Finally, your conspiracy theory "To exclude me ... you tried to drag everyone into ur private club" really makes me sick, even though I was never a fan of Lao Dao. Lao Dao's club is PUBLIC, everyone in the world can read it, and I joined it on my own without Lao Dao's any email. YOUR club is PRIVATE, and YOU sent me email twice to try to drag me into ur club.
 
4   [USMedEdu ÓÚ 2010-10-03 12:08:31 Ìáµ½] [FROM: 24.]
RE: AN ARTIFICIAL SOMATIC-CENTRAL NERVOUS SYSTEMAUTONOMIC REFLEX PATHWAY FOR CONTROLLABLE MICTURITION AFTER SPINAL CORD INJURY: PRELIMINARY RESULTS IN 15 PATIENTS

C. G. Xiao, M.-X. Du, C. Dai, B. Li, V. W. Nitti and
W. C. de Groat

J Urol, 170: 1237¨C1241, 2003

To the Editor. Reconstruction of controlled voiding in spinal cord injury still remains a major challenge in medicine. Xiao et al perxxxxed an interesting investigation first in animals (rat1 and cat2) and then in clinical patients, by establishing the ¡°skin-central nervous system (CNS)-bladder¡± artificial reflex pathway to trigger bladder contraction. Based on our understanding and clinical experience in bladder treatment of patients with spinal cord injury, we would like to comment on some points regarding the artificial ¡°somatic-CNS-bladder¡± reflex pathway.

First is the relationship between naturally triggered voiding and artificially triggered voiding. In patients with suprasacral spinal cord injury one or more nature triggering points usually develops to initiate voiding, for example tapping the lower abdomen, pulling the pubis or scratching the skin below the spinal cord injury level. Does the patient who underwent the operation still retain naturally triggered voiding? Furthermore, we do not think the artificial reflex arc can ¡°control¡± voiding. It may have the same role of trigger point in spastic bladders of spinal cord injury.

In addition, which root should be selected as the recipient? For the donor root in clinic it can be L3, L4, L5 or S1. Considering spine stability, L5 or S1 is preferential. For the recipient root one must consider its normal innervative frequency and efficacy to bladder detrusors. Generally speaking, S2 roots in patients seldom have innervative contribution to bladder detrusor because there is no bladder pressure increase when S2 is stimulated (20 V, 30 Hz). S3 and S4 are the dominant contributors of bladder innervation, with the right side more efficacious.3 Furthermore, the proximal lumbar somatic motor ventral roots innervating the hindlimb muscle are much larger than the distal sacral ventral roots innervating the pelvic organ and floor. Therefore, it is technically possible to anastomose 1 proximal donor root with 2 or 3 distal recipient roots. So in our opinion the recipient root for neurorhaphy should be S3 or S4, bilaterally or unilaterally.

Another point centers on how to promote axonal regeneration to pelvic nerves rather than to pudendual nerves. As we know, the ventral root of L6 in rat, S1 in cat, S2 in dog or S3 in man contains somatic motor fibers as well as parasympathetic preganglionic fibers. The xxxxer xxxxs pudendal nerve to innervate pelvic striated muscles and sphincters, and the latter xxxxs pelvic nerve to pelvic ganglion and then innervate pelvic organs. Theoretically, the proximal somatic motor fibers are more inclined to regenerate into distal somatic nerves because they can release the same neural trophic and growth factors to attract and induce axonal sprouting and regenerating. However, the aim of this operation is to get more reinnervation to bladder and less reinnervation to sphincter. What can we do to inhibit axonal regeneration to distal somatic nerves and enhance to autonomic nerves?

Another question is which is a more efficacious trigger, skin or tendon afferent? Scratching skin induces a superficial spinal reflex, while knocking tendon induces a profundal reflex. The impulse produced by tendon reflex seems more robust than that by skin. However, in animal experiments and clinical sacral anterior root stimulation (Brindley electrode) the intensity of electrical stimulus is hundreds to thousands of times higher than the biological current. Is there any difference between the ¡°skin-CNS-bladder¡± and ¡°tendon-CNS-bladder¡± reflex pathway? Which one can give a better result? Another issue regards whether to do deafferentation. It has been proved clinically that sacrificing 4 or even 5 sacral roots has no effect on voluntary voiding or defecation.4 Selective sacral root rhizotomy in patients with supraconal spinal cord injury, whether efferent or afferent, usually gives encouraging initial results but is disappointing in long-term followup.5 Because the plasticity of autonomic nerve and bladder smooth muscle is so strong, only complete denervation could achieve permanent spasm relief.6, 7 In our opinion the ¡°somatic-CNS-bladder¡± reflex arc only sets up a new somatic trigger point to initiate voiding. It seldom affects bladder compliance and reservoir function. Thus, establishing a ¡°somatic-CNS-bladder¡± reflex arc without supplementation of appropriate deafferentation will ultimately lead to a hyperreflexic and spastic bladder. What is the role of deafferentation? Does it diminish the efficacy of the somatically triggered voiding?

Finally, establishing an artificial ¡°somatic-CNS-bladder¡± reflex arc to trigger voiding in patients with spinal cord injury is a new and promising approach. Congratulations to Xiao et al, who present interesting and inxxxxative research work. However, more experimental and clinical studies and long-term followup are needed before a definite conclusion is drawn.

Respectfully,
Shi-Min Chang
Department of Orthopedic Surgery
Tongji Hospital Tongji University
389 Xincun Road
Shanghai 200065
People¡¯s Republic of China
1. Xiao, C. G. and Godec, C. J.: A possible new reflex pathway for micturition after SCI. Paraplegia, 32: 300, 1994
2. Xiao, C.-G., De Groat, W. C., Godec, C. J., Dai, C. and Xiao, Q.: ¡°Skin-CNS-bladder¡± reflex pathway for micturition after spinal cord injury and its underlying mechanisms. J Urol, 162:936, 1999
3. Chang, S. M. and Hou, C. L.: The frequency and efficacy of differential sacral roots innervation to bladder detrusor in Asian people. Spinal Cord, 38: 773, 2000
4. Anson, K. M., Byrne, P. O., Robertson, I. D., Gullan, R. W. and Montgomery, A. C.: Radical excision of sacrococcygeal tumours. Br J Surg, 81: 460, 1994
5. Torrens, M. and Hald, T.: Bladder denervation procedures. Urol Clin North Am, 6: 283, 1979
6. Brindley, G. S.: The first 500 patients with sacral anterior root stimulator implants: general dexxxxion. Paraplegia, 32: 795, 1994
7. Madersbacher, H.: Denervative techniques. BJU Int, suppl., 85:1, 2000
 
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Published online 29 September 2010 | Nature 467, 511 (2010) |
doi:10.1038/467511a
News
Brawl in Beijing
Critics of Chinese researchers targeted in physical attacks.

David Cyranoski


Former biochemist Fang Shimin has made enemies after scrutinizing
scientists¡¯ reputations.FANG SHIMIN
Science can be a rough game in China. On 29 August, on his way home
from a tea house in Beijing, Fang Shimin was assaulted. The former
biochemist ¡ª who for the past decade has run a website exposing
scientific fraudsters ¡ª was chased by two men, caught and attacked
with a hammer.

"I believe they planned to kill me," he says. "The only way to shut me
up is to kill me." He escaped with only minor cuts and bruises. In June,
Fang Xuanchang, a journalist who had reported on corruption in science
in China, was left with more serious injuries after two men assaulted
him with steel rods.

On 21 September, police arrested Xiao Chuanguo, a urologist at Tongji
Medical College in Wuhan, on suspicion of master minding both plots.
Xiao could not be reached for comment, but has confessed his
involvement to Beijing's police. Fang Shimin says Xiao could face 3¨C
10 years in prison ¡ª or more if the charges become attempted murder.

Xiao and Fang Shimin have never met or spoken, but their paths have
crossed on the Internet ¡ª and in court. Xiao's clash with him, and
with Fang Xuanchang, revolves around a surgical procedure devised by
Xiao that aims to restore bladder and bowel function in patients with
spina bifida or spinal-cord injuries. Xiao reported an impressive 87%
success rate for the operation, which involves re-routing nerves1,2.
In 2005, he was nominated for membership of the Chinese Academy of
Sciences, the elite body of the Chinese scientific world.

Following his nomination, people started posting questions about
Xiao's claims on Fang Shimin's website
(http://fangzhouzi-xys.blogspot.com). Then in September 2005, Fang
Shimin published an essay in Beijing Sci¨CTech Report, which said that
Xiao was not an associate professor at New York University as he
states in his CV, but only an assistant professor. Furthermore, the
article said that only 4 of the 26 English-language publications Xiao
listed were journal articles ¡ª the rest being abstracts from
conference proceedings.

It is not known if Fang Shimin's article affected the academy's
decision, but Xiao was not made a member and has since sued Fang
Shimin for libel five times. Fang Shimin, whose site has been
criticized for giving contributors a platform for unjustified attacks
on their enemies3, lost one case and won two, with the other two
undecided. Meanwhile, criticism of the 'Xiao procedure' has continued.
Last year, Fang Xuanchang published a series of articles questioning
its efficacy, which may have prompted the attacks on him.

Beijing-based lawyer Peng Jian says he has interviewed 20¨C30 patients
who have experienced side effects after undergoing the Xiao procedure,
and who are seeking compensation. This summer, the first US trial of
the treatment reported ambiguous results in The Journal of Urology4,
and two journal editorials said it should be considered experimental4.

Fang Shimin, meanwhile, is unfazed by the attack. "It won't stop me,"
he says. "I will continue to do what I am doing."

References
Xiao, C.-G. Proc. Int. Conf. Urol. Shanghai, 2¨C4 July (2005).
Xiao, C.-G. Eur. Urol. 49, 22-29 (2006).
Cyranoski, D. Nature 441, 392-393 (2006).
Peters, K. M. et al. J. Urol. 184, 702-708 (2010).


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Published online 29 September 2010 | Nature 467, 511 (2010) | doi:10.1038/467511a

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News

Brawl in Beijing
Critics of Chinese researchers targeted in physical attacks.

David Cyranoski


Former biochemist Fang Shimin has made enemies after scrutinizing scientists¡¯ reputations.
FANG SHIMINScience can be a rough game in China. On 29 August, on his way home from a tea house in Beijing, Fang Shimin was assaulted. The former biochemist ¡ª who for the past decade has run a website exposing scientific fraudsters ¡ª was chased by two men, caught and attacked with a hammer.

"I believe they planned to kill me," he says. "The only way to shut me up is to kill me." He escaped with only minor cuts and bruises. In June, Fang Xuanchang, a journalist who had reported on corruption in science in China, was left with more serious injuries after two men assaulted him with steel rods.

On 21 September, police arrested Xiao Chuanguo, a urologist at Tongji Medical College in Wuhan, on suspicion of master­minding both plots. Xiao could not be reached for comment, but has confessed his involvement to Beijing's police. Fang Shimin says Xiao could face 3¨C10 years in prison ¡ª or more if the charges become attempted murder.

Xiao and Fang Shimin have never met or spoken, but their paths have crossed on the Internet ¡ª and in court. Xiao's clash with him, and with Fang Xuanchang, revolves around a surgical procedure devised by Xiao that aims to restore bladder and bowel function in patients with spina bifida or spinal-cord injuries. Xiao reported an impressive 87% success rate for the operation, which involves re-routing nerves1,2. In 2005, he was nominated for membership of the Chinese Academy of Sciences, the elite body of the Chinese scientific world.

Following his nomination, people started posting questions about Xiao's claims on Fang Shimin's website (http://fangzhouzi-xys.blogspot.com). Then in September 2005, Fang Shimin published an essay in Beijing Sci¨CTech Report, which said that Xiao was not an associate professor at New York University as he states in his CV, but only an assistant professor. Furthermore, the article said that only 4 of the 26 English-language publications Xiao listed were journal articles ¡ª the rest being abstracts from conference proceedings.

It is not known if Fang Shimin's article affected the academy's decision, but Xiao was not made a member and has since sued Fang Shimin for libel five times. Fang Shimin, whose site has been criticized for giving contributors a platform for unjustified attacks on their enemies3, lost one case and won two, with the other two undecided. Meanwhile, criticism of the 'Xiao procedure' has continued. Last year, Fang Xuanchang published a series of articles questioning its efficacy, which may have prompted the attacks on him.

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Beijing-based lawyer Peng Jian says he has interviewed 20¨C30 patients who have experienced side effects after undergoing the Xiao procedure, and who are seeking compensation. This summer, the first US trial of the treatment reported ambiguous results in The Journal of Urology4, and two journal editorials said it should be considered experimental4.

Fang Shimin, meanwhile, is unfazed by the attack. "It won't stop me," he says. "I will continue to do what I am doing."

References
1.Xiao, C.-G. Proc. Int. Conf. Urol. Shanghai, 2¨C4 July (2005).
2.Xiao, C.-G. Eur. Urol. 49, 22-29 (2006). | Article | PubMed | OpenURL
3.Cyranoski, D. Nature 441, 392-393 (2006). | Article | PubMed | OpenURL | | ChemPort |
4.Peters, K. M. et al. J. Urol. 184, 702-708 (2010). | Article | PubMed | OpenURL
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#14496
I am shocked by the fact Xiao chuanguo, as a professor of a relatively well-known university, can do this thing.

Report this comment2010-09-29 09:03:08 AM
Posted by: Chuan-Qi Zhong#14502
Reference1 in this article does not exist in either Chinese or English literature, although it was cited in Dr. Xiao's review2, and later became the major reference of the first US trial conducted by Beaumont Hospital.

Beaumont also cites the results originated from this non-existent conference report1 in their phase II NIH project application: "in 92 SCI patients, 88% regained bladder control within one year after the nerve rerouting surgery and in 110 children with spina bifida, reported success in 87% at one year" (see http://projectreporter.nih.gov/project_info_description.cfm?aid=7696321 )

Report this comment2010-09-29 01:11:32 PM
Posted by: New Threads Volunteers#14503
As the owner and author of the website http://fangzhouzi-xys.blogspot.com, I must clarify that the site is not Dr. Fang Shimin's famed New Threads site, which is at http://www.xys.org (in Chinese).

The website http://fangzhouzi-xys.blogspot.com is indeed dedicated to Dr. Fang Shimin's efforts and the issue of scientific and academic integrity in China. But it only reflects a tiny subset of what Dr. Fang and New Threads has been working on this issue. Dr. Fang Shimin is not personally involved in this site and I shall bear the full responsibility for its contents.

Report this comment2010-09-29 01:41:31 PM
Posted by: Eddie Cheng#14504
Dear Mr. David Cyranoski,

I found some key facts are missing in your report. The feud between Drs. Xiao and Fang started in the late 2000, and reached the climax when Xiao report to Science magazine that Fang plagiarized a Science paper, meaning translated that paper word for word in one his so called “science popularization essays”. However, at that time, Xiao was only known to Fang as “Hun professor”, a web ID, so Fang had no way to revenge.

In Sept. 2005, after 4-5 years hunting, Fang finally got Hun professor’s identity, and he immediately launched a defamatory campaign against Xiao. All of the posts “posting questions about Xiao's claims on Fang Shimin's website (http://fangzhouzi-xys.blogspot.com)” (Fang’s website is xys.org. The address you gave is one of Fang’s firm followers’ blog) were anonymous or by pseudonym authors, and Fang were among the latter group, using a pseudonym “Shuizhonghua” (sailing in water), he wrote 6 articles. It was mainly based upon these pseudonym posts, Fang wrote the Beijing Sci‡°Tech Report (should be Beijing Sci‡°Tech News) article.

Both Fang Xuanchang and Peng Jian are Fang’s personal friends. After Fang Xuanchang being attacked in June, both Fangs admitted to the public that the smearing campaign started last October was “plotted” by them.

I have been studying Fang and his gang for more than 3 years, and right after Xiao’s arrest, I posted one of my books, in Chinese, The Feud between Drs. Fang Zhouzi and Xiao Chuanguo, on the internet, free for downloading (https://docs.google.com/fileview?id=0Bz7FQgH_VoaTZGYxZTY0MmQtNTBmYi00NDZkLTk0MjQtNTZmNzBkMjZlODk3&hl=zh_CN). I firmly believe that the fight between the two is about revenge, not about science or patients’ well-bing. I have documented large amount evidences, nearly 1000 references, in my book, to support my conclusion. I have posted several questions on Science magazine’s website to Dr. Fang and his lawyer Peng for two days (http://news.sciencemag.org/scienceinsider/2010/09/urologist-arrested-for-attacks.html), but they refused to answer any one of them. All Dr. Fang did was asking the “the moderator do something” about me, obviously requesting that I be banned. So you know who is afraid of facts.

Yi Ming

Report this comment2010-09-29 01:46:04 PM
Posted by: Yi Ming#14505
Dear Mr. David Cyranoski,

I found some key facts are missing in your report. The feud between Drs. Xiao and Fang started in the late 2000, and reached the climax when Xiao report to Science magazine that Fang plagiarized a Science paper, meaning translated that paper word for word in one his so called “science popularization essays”. However, at that time, Xiao was only known to Fang as “Hun professor”, a web ID, so Fang had no way to revenge.

In Sept. 2005, after 4-5 years hunting, Fang finally got Hun professor’s identity, and he immediately launched a defamatory campaign against Xiao. All of the posts “posting questions about Xiao's claims on Fang Shimin's website (http://fangzhouzi-xys.blogspot.com)” (Fang’s website is xys.org. The address you gave is one of Fang’s firm followers’ blog) were anonymous or by pseudonym authors, and Fang were among the latter group, using a pseudonym “Shuizhonghua” (sailing in water), he wrote 6 articles. It was mainly based upon these pseudonym posts, Fang wrote the Beijing Sci‡°Tech Report (should be Beijing Sci‡°Tech News) article.

Both Fang Xuanchang and Peng Jian are Fang’s personal friends. After Fang Xuanchang being attacked in June, both Fangs admitted to the public that the smearing campaign started last October was “plotted” by them.

I have been studying Fang and his gang for more than 3 years, and right after Xiao’s arrest, I posted one of my books, in Chinese, The Feud between Drs. Fang Zhouzi and Xiao Chuanguo, on the internet, free for downloading (https://docs.google.com/fileview?id=0Bz7FQgH_VoaTZGYxZTY0MmQtNTBmYi00NDZkLTk0MjQtNTZmNzBkMjZlODk3&hl=zh_CN). I firmly believe that the fight between the two is about revenge, not about science or patients’ well-bing. I have documented large amount evidences, nearly 1000 references, in my book, to support my conclusion. I have posted several questions on Science magazine’s website to Dr. Fang and his lawyer Peng for two days (http://news.sciencemag.org/scienceinsider/2010/09/urologist-arrested-for-attacks.html), but they refused to answer any one of them. All Dr. Fang did was asking the “the moderator do something” about me, obviously requesting that I be banned. So you know who is afraid of facts.

Yi Ming

Report this comment2010-09-29 01:46:58 PM
Posted by: Yi Ming#14507
I don't agree with this person Yi Ming's post simply because he/she is spreading rumors not facts. That fact is that "Science" has clarified that Dr. Fang did not plagiarize.

The "fight between the two is about revenge"--it was a revenge by Xiao as he claimed publically many times. He was arrested because he mastermined the whole plot, that is the fact.

"I have documented large amount evidences, nearly 1000 references..." A reference is called a reference if it is from a reliable source, otherwise, it is called a rumor. The references you cited are unfortunately belong to the catogory of "rumors".

Report this comment2010-09-29 02:29:21 PM
Posted by: YS YS#14521
what i don't understand is why Nature made such "News" to the reader.

Report this comment2010-09-29 08:22:02 PM
Posted by: Pu Xia#14525
Re the first comment by Chuan-Qi Zhong:

While it is indeed shocking that Xiao Chuanguo, as a professor of a relatively well-known university, can do this thing, it is even more shocking that the academic and medical establishment in China could allow Xiao to put his procedure into clinical use on such a large number of unknowing patients, solely on his claim of an 85% success rate that has not been substantiated by any credible evidence.

Report this comment2010-09-29 10:00:48 PM
Posted by: Hung Lee#14529
To YS YS:

1. Did I say Science convicted Fang? What I said was the incidence made Xiao Fang's top enemy.

2. Before Sept. 2005, it was Xiao were not hurt by Fang, so why did he want to revenge Fang?

3. You said "[t]he references you cited are unfortunately belong to the catogory of "rumors"." Well, more than 80% of these references are from Fang's website. If you insist that they "belong to the catogory of "rumors"", I don't have objections. As a matter of fact, Nature did call Fang's website a "a popular place to post rumours of scientific fraud."(Anonymous. Fantasy reference list leads to the sack. Nature. 2006 April 6; 440:728-729Aë。

Report this comment2010-09-29 10:55:45 PM
Posted by: Yi Ming#14534
1. Did I say Science convicted Fang? What I said was the incidence made Xiao Fang's top enemy.

No, you did NOT and that immediately discreditted yourself.

2. Before Sept. 2005, it was Xiao were not hurt by Fang, so why did he want to revenge Fang?

I assume people post here have some basic logics, apparently I am wrong.

3. You said "[t]he references you cited are unfortunately belong to the catogory of "rumors"." Well, more than 80% of these references are from Fang's website. If you insist that they "belong to the catogory of "rumors"", I don't have objections. As a matter of fact, Nature did call Fang's website a "a popular place to post rumours of scientific fraud."(Anonymous. Fantasy reference list leads to the sack. Nature. 2006 April 6; 440:728-729

Most of these "rumors" posted at XYS unfortunately turned out to be inconvinient truth for someone.

Go Fang Shimin! Go XYS!

Report this comment2010-09-30 01:28:21 AM
Posted by: Qiang Qin#14538
Yes to Fang and his XYS,no to Xiao and his "'Xiao procedure"

Report this comment2010-09-30 01:58:43 AM
Posted by: Li Bin#14543
I think Yi Ming's comment about Fang Shiming is true and correct . Frankly speaking, Fang Shiming and Fang Xuanchang are not specialized in medical science and almost know nothing in Dr.Xiao's research field. Obviously they are not qualified to judge Dr.Xiao's research result. and surgical procedure. As far as I know, so far none of Chinese doctors in Urology stand up to support Fang's groundless attack against Dr.Xiao. Instead, many Doctors in China, U.S, Britain, India and Argentina support Dr. Xiao and adopt his new surgical procedure.See: http://www.tudou.com/programs/view/NImTtUFC2nU/ and http://sciencenet.cn/m/user_content.aspx?id=367624 And the US NIH provided Dr.Xiao $2,300,000 as his research fund. See: http://projectreporter.nih.gov/project_info_description.cfm?aid=7696321 and http://www.sciencenet.cn/m/user_content.aspx?id=288343 . Evan Kass MD,Chief of Pediatric Urology at the Beaumont Children's Hospital said:" Dr Xiao is a brilliant man, he is a good man, a caring physician, gifted surgeon, and an honest investigator. " However, to defame Dr.Xiao, Fang used intentionally other people's right foot photo as one patient left foot photo in an attempt to support his criticism and attack against Dr.Xiao as his so called "first-hand" evidence. This is a kind of cheating, and is also a stupid and shameless behavior! See: http://www.sciencenet.cn/m/user_content.aspx?id=367028 .

From all the facts and materials I collected, I strongly agree with Dr. Even Kass.
Gary , another American doctor, also had comment: "Dr. Xiao is a great doctor, who not only belongs to China, but also to the whole world. He travels around the world to teach other urologists and neurosurgeons the method he invented to help paralyzed patients gain control over their lives. Doctors all over the world will respect, salute, and sympathize with Dr. Xiao." by Gary

Report this comment2010-09-30 04:20:16 AM
Posted by: David HSU#14551
"What I said was the incidence made Xiao Fang's top enemy."

While Xiao might consider that Fang SM is his top enemy, as an outsider I don't really see that Fang SM would think that way. And indeed, why didn't you talk about the completely-innocent Fang Xuanchang?

"Dr Xiao is a brilliant man, and this reported assault attempt seems to be the work of a fool, not Dr Xiao"

Yeah, I know you agree that Xiao, the fool, doesn't deserve the "Dr." title!

Report this comment2010-09-30 08:01:08 AM
Posted by: Mart Y#14552
Here are the simple questions I asked Fang's lawyer Peng Jian three days ago, on Science's website. He does not have the guts to answer them:

Dear Dr. Peng Jian:
In November, 2006, about 2 weeks after OSAIC started its business, it awarded you and your client Dr. Fang Zhouzi $4,842.58, for the legal fees (see : http://www.osaic.org/?n=OSAIC.%E8%B5%84%E5%8A%A9%E9%A1%B9%E7%9B%AE). However, at that time, Dr. Fang told public that you were working for him free (see May 1, 2006’s Xia Men Daily interview, http://www.xys.org/xys/netters/Fang-Zhouzi/interview/xmrb.txt; and a New Threads article, http://www.xys.org/xys/ebooks/others/science/dajia7/xys15.txtAë.
So, could please tell the world what the $4,842.58 legal fees for? Did you keep the money for yourself? Did you share the money with Dr. Fang? And, according to China’s attorney law, no attorney is allowed to collect payments or other fees directly from his clients. The money must go to a firm’s account. Then, which firm did you work for during that time? Did you give the money to that firm?

Report this comment2010-09-30 09:17:30 AM
Posted by: Yi Ming#14553
Here are the simple questions I asked Fang three days ago, on Science's website. He does not have the guts to answer them:

“If the fight between you and Xiao is really about science, about the well-being of the patients, then why did you hide your secretive and illegal investigation results for more than two years, from 2007 to August 2009? And why did you reveal the results immediately, right after Wuhan court enforced its judgment by taking away more than 40,000 Yuan from your wife’s bank account in August 2009?”

Report this comment2010-09-30 09:23:19 AM
Posted by: Yi Ming#14554
Why do I call Fang and his followers “gang of transnational internet terrorists”? This is why
(from http://news.sciencemag.org/scienceinsider/2010/09/urologist-arrested-for-attacks.html):

A reply to “New Threads Volunteers” reply to my questions to Dr. Fang.

New Threads Volunteers wrote:

“In short, you maliciouslly misinterpreted Dr. Fang's statements, just like what you always do.

“Considering your book is in Chinese, we have answered your questions on the New Threads forum.
http://www.xys.org/forum/db/7/149/176.html

“You may reply to us either here or on your forum.”

Well, since you and your boss, Dr. Fang, dear not to reply to me on this blog, in English, so let me do the dirty work for you. Here is the first sentence of your “reply” on New Threads:

“The Fang’s Study expert Yi Ming stopped haunting the Welsh Humanities building at the University of South Carolina at 5 pm, April 30, 2010. Since then, he has been hiding at his home, working days and nights, in extra hours, engaging his Fang’s Study, and finally cooked up The Feud Between Drs. Fang Zhouzi and Xiao Chuanguo.” (æ¨C¹å­¦å®¶äº¦æ˜Ž¨¨‡ª2010å¹´4月30桪¥ä¸‹åˆ5点¨¨µ¡¤åœæ­¢åœ¡§å¡ªå¡ç½¡ªæ¥¨¦‚£å¡è¡ì学人æ¨C‡å¡è¡ì楼出没,歡è后一直¨¦¾Ÿç¼©åœ¡§å®¶ä¸­ï¼Œå¡è™å¡èœåŒªæ‡ˆï¼ŒåŠ ç­åŠ ç‚¹ï¼Œä¸¡°¨¨Œä»Žäº‹æ¨C¹å­¦ç ¡±ç©¶ï¼Œç‚®åˆ¶å‡ºã€Šæ¨C¹¨¨ˆŸå­æ¶æ¨C¡ª¨¨‚¨Cä¼ å›½å¡ì‹æœ«ã€‹ã€‚)

Could the “New Threads Volunteers” answer a few simple questions for me:

How did you know where I work and when I work?

Why my working habit and schedule is relevant to the questions I asked Fang?

I am pretty sure you and your boss do not have the courage to answer these questions, so let me help you.

The reason behind your publishing the info is, you are trying to scare, to threaten me. You are telling me: we know everything about you, and we will, if we like, post even more of your private info, such as your photos, your family address, your phone numbers, and your spouse’s, your children’s info, on internet. As a matter of fact, this is exactly what you did to Mendel, a poster on this blog, two days ago. Here is what happened: on Sept. 26, Yush, the main character behind so called “New Threads Volunteers”, posted the following on New Threads (NT) Reading Book Forum (RBF):

“Anybody wants to see his pretty picture? Here is the link: http://tingchao2050.blog.163.com/album/#m=0&p=3
“You could not get this by Googling. I got this by asking my comrades at Xikang Road, they took the picture from an Youtube video, and used an special, internally used image search software to get the job done.” (想不想看看仨Cçš„¨¦¡°ç¡­¡ì?¨¨¿™ä¸ªå¡ã¡À不¨¨ƒ½ç¡±¡§google查了。¨¨¿™æ˜¯æˆ¡®¨¨¯¡¤¨¨¥¿åº¡¤¨¨¡¤¯çš„同忡ªæŸ¥åˆ¡ã的,从Youtube录像上截图,然后硱¡§ä»¨C们冡­¨¦ƒ¡§ä¸¡°ç¡±¡§çš„图像匹¨¦¡­æœç´¢¨¨½¯ä»¶ã€‚) (see: http://www.xys.org/forum/db/7/147/51.html).

So, who are the “comrades at Xikang Road”? It's the code used by “New Threads Volunteers” for an internet hiker who is most likely working for China’s KGB, National Security Department. That’s why I have been calling NT people “gang of transnational internet terrorists”. In fact, in 2007, Dr. Fang, using a pseudonym “determined to strike back”, threatened Xiao’ lawyers like this: “If any law firms dear to take cases like this, I will search these lawyers’ files carefully and thoroughly, and if I find problems, I’ll post them on internet all over the world, in Chinese and in English. ”(任何一家律师事务æ¡ë€æ•¢äºŽæ¡ë¿æŽ¥æ­¡èç¡À»æ¡ˆä»¶ï¼Œæœ¬äººå¡ã†ç»†ç©¶æ¯ä¸ªç›¸å¡­³å¾‹å¸ˆä»¥å¡ëæ¡ë€ç»åŠžçš„æ¡ë€æœ¡ë案件的惡­å†µï¼Œ¨¨‹¥æŸ¥å‡º¨¦¡ª®¨¦¢˜ï¼Œå¡ã†ä»¥ä¸­¨¨‹¡Àæ¨C‡åœ¡§æµ¡¤å†¡­å¡è¨C罡®ç«™å¡è¡ì¨¦¢ç¡ì¯ç™»¨¨½½.)(see: http://www.xys.org/xys/ebooks/others/science/dajia8/xiaochuanguo337.txt), also see my book, pages 108-109.)

I think this post is too long, so let me briefly point out another rumor in that very first sentence of the “New Threads Volunteers” reply: I started my study on Fang and his gang three years ago, and the book on the Feud between Xiao and Fang was started at the end of last year, and posted on my sina.com blog piece by piece almost as soon as they were finished. However, Fang and his lawyer Peng were so scared of my book, they asked sina.com had my blog banned on Jan. 28 of this year. (see: http://control.blog.sina.com.cn/myblog/htmlsource/blog_notopen.php?uid=1347166864&version=7&x). When I opened another blog on sohu.com a few months later, Fang and Peng did the same thing again, the blog was banned on April 21, 2010. So they knew the book was not cooked up in hasty for the purpose of rescuing Xiao from prison. But they lie anyway.

Why do they have to threaten people and keep lying?

Report this comment2010-09-30 11:23:23 AM
Posted by: Yi Ming#14557
Open letter in support of Chuan-Guo Xiao, MFile Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat

September 29, 2010

To all:
We have all had the pleasure of knowing Dr. Chuan-Guo Xiao for many years. He is an internationally respected surgeon-scientist who has made major advances in the development of neuroregeneration to restore voiding and bowel function. Dr. Xiao performed groundbreaking animal research in the United States, demonstrating that a motor nerve that innervates the leg can be used to reinnervate the bladder and bowel. This reinnervation allows for development of a reflex to initiate bladder function. The results of his studies were published in peer-reviewed journals and other scientists have replicated Xiao’s findings confirming these results.

Dr. Xiao eventually took the courageous step of moving from animal research to human studies and began performing the rerouting procedure on patients with spinal cord injury and spina bifida in China.
Neurogenic bladder is life threatening in China due to a lack of both antimuscarinics and intermittent catheterization, and lessening the complications of neurogenic bladder would be considered a lifesaving success. Patients with neurogenic bladder and bowel suffer greatly and endure a host of issues such as urinary retention, incontinence, recurrent infections, renal insufficiency, fecal incontinence, constipation, and poor quality of life. For a procedure as complicated as nerve rerouting requiring nerve regeneration, one cannot expect normalization of bladder and bowel function to be the definition of success. What is important is that the benefits outweigh the risks of the procedure.

Dr. Xiao published his clinical results in peer-reviewed journals and was twice honored by the Jack Lapides Essay Contest, one of the most respected international awards given to scientists who make major contributions to the field of neurourology. In 2008, he was named the Kelm Hjalmas Memorial Lecturer from the International Children’s Continence Society for his scientific achievements. Many of us have traveled to China to examine patients treated by Dr. Xiao and/or have been trained by him in the nerve rerouting surgery he invented. Dr. Xiao is a very skilled surgeon who is passionate about patient care and works tirelessly to train physicians around the world in performing his nerve rerouting procedure.

In the United States, an independent and very rigorous pilot research trial was performed to test the safety and efficacy of this procedure. The one-year results were recently published in the Journal of Urology. At the 12-month follow-up visit, a cutaneous to bladder reflex was found in 7 of 9 spina bifida patients, confirming that rerouting does occur. This finding by itself is remarkable and Dr. Xiao should be commended. In addition, a number of patients demonstrated improvement in bladder and bowel function, which has continued to improve with longer patient follow-up. The 36-month results are currently being analyzed and will be reported in the near future. The pilot data was supportive of Dr. Xiao’s procedure, and now an NIH sponsored clinical trial is being conducted to further study lumbar to sacral nerve rerouting in spina bifida patients. In addition, similar procedures have been done worldwide, with Dr. Xiao helping to mentor the surgeons at each site.

The Chinese people and government should be proud of Dr. Xiao for his dedication to his patients, his scientific achievements, and his willingness to train doctors around the world how to perform his surgery. The International scientific community was shocked to hear of Dr. Xiao’s arrest. Those of us who know Dr. Xiao well find it difficult to believe that he is involved in these attacks.

Dr. Xiao is a compassionate man who is respected worldwide for his integrity and his innovative scientific contributions to society. We implore the Chinese government and authorities to treat Dr. Xiao fairly and to protect his human rights as these charges are investigated. Please strongly consider Dr. Xiao’s scientific and humanitarian contributions to the world as facts are gathered in this case.

Sincerely,

Kenneth M. Peters, MD
Professor and Chairman of Urology
Beaumont Hospital
Royal Oak, Michigan

Jack S. Elder, M.D.
Chief of Urology, Henry Ford Health System
Associate Director, Vattikuti Urology Institute
Department of Urology, Children's Hospital of Michigan
Clinical Professor of Urology, Case School of Medicine

Edwin A. Smith M.D.
Assistant Clinical Professor of Urology
Emory University School of Medicine
Atlanta, Georgia

Kevin M. Feber, MD, FAAP
Board Certified in Pediatric Urology
Comprehensive Urology
William Beaumont Children's Hospital

Ananias C. Diokno, M.D., F.A.C.S.Executive Vice President & CMOBeaumont HospitalRoyal Oak, Michigan 48073 USA

Juan José de Benito
Urologist
Hospital Nacional de Clínicas
Córdoba, Argentina.

William E. Nantau B.Sc., CNIMClinical ManagerClinical Neurophysiology DepartmentBeaumont Hospital Royal Oak

Evan J Kass MD,FACS,FAAPChief, Division of Pediatric UrologyBeaumont Childrens HospitalProfessor of Urology, Oakland University-William Beaumont School of Medicine

Jacques Corcos MD.Professor of Urology, McGill UniversityGeneral Secretary of the International Continence SocietyJewish General hospital3755 Cote Ste-CatherineMontreal, Quebec, Canada H3T 1E2

Jose Gonzalez, M.D.
Department of Urology
Beaumont Hospital
Royal Oak, Michigan

Christopher Payne, MD
Associate Professor of Urology
Stanford University Medical School
Stanford, CA 94305-5118

Kenneth I. Glassberg, MD
Director, Division of Pediatric Urology
Morgan Stanley Children's Hospital of New York-Presbyterian
Professor of Urology, Columbia University
College of Physicians and Surgeons
3959 Broadway, CHN 1118
Earl Y. Cheng, MD
Associate Professor of Urology
Children’s Memorial Hospital
Chicago, Illinois

Darius J. Bagli, MDCM
Professor of Surgery
Senior Associate Scientist
Director of Urology Research
Divisions of Urology and
Developmental & Stem Cell Biology
The Hospital For Sick Children
Institute of Medical Science
University of Toronto

Henri B. LOTTMANN, MD, FEBU, FEBPS, FRCS(england) FEBPU
Paediatric urology unit
Hopital Necker-Enfants-Malades
149, rue de Sá§vres
75015 Paris
France

Dr. Amrish Vaidya MS. MCh.Consultant Paediatric Surgeon,Kokilaben Dhirubhai Ambani Hospital,4 Bungalows, Andheri W, Mumbai, India
Marc Cendron, MD
Associate Professor in Urology
Harvard Medical School
Children’s Hospital Boston
Boston, MA

Stuart B. Bauer, MD
Associate Director, Neurourology
Professor of Urology
Harvard Medical School
Children’s Hospital Boston
Boston, MA

Edmond T. Gonzales, Jr., MD
Professor of Urology
Baylor College of Medicine

Richard Macchia, MD FACS
SUNY Distinguished Teaching Professor
Cleveland Clinic, Florida
Benjamin Girdler, MD
Urology Center of the Rockies
Fort Collins, Colorado

William C. de Groat, Ph.D.
Professor of Pharmacology
University of Pittsburgh

Michael R. Ruggieri, Sr., Ph.D.
Director of Urologic Research
Temple University School of Medicine

Stanley J Kogan MDChief, Pediatric UrologyChildren's Hospital at MontefioreBronx NY USA

Anthony Caldamone, MD
University Urologic Associates, Inc.2 Dudley St Ste 185Providence, RI 02905

Yves Homsy MD, FRCSC, FAAP Clinical Professor of Urological Surgery and Pediatrics University of South Florida Children's Urology Group 5507 E. Longboat Blvd Tampa FL 33615

Dr. Enrique Turina
Professor of urology of the National University of Buenos Aires
Chief of section Urology of Instituto de Rehabilitación
Government of Buenos Aires, Argentina.

Dr. Angel Ozón
Urologist of the Instituto de Rehabilitación of Buenos Aires

Dr. Daniel Ekizian
Urologist of Instituto de Rehabilitación.

Professor Dr. med. Karl-Dietrich Sievert
Vice Chair Prof. of Urology, Director ¨C Uro-oncology, Neurourology, Incontinence, & Reconstructive Urology Department of Urology University of Tuebingen D72076 Tuebingen, Germany

Holly Gilmer, MD
Chief of Pediatric Neurosurgery
Beaumont Hospital
Royal Oak, Michigan

Yegappan Lakshmanan, MD
Chief, Pediatric Urology
Children’s Hospital of Michigan

Report this comment2010-09-30 12:33:19 PM
Posted by: David HSU#14565
Xiao Chuanguo was detained by Beijing police on suspicion of master­minding the two plots; if a trial is to be conducted against him for his ALLEGED involvement in the plots, Xiao will have the right to defend himself in whatever sense against any accusation, even if he made the reported confession. So what will be the effect of this "news" on the possible trial and on Xiao's efforts in defending himself in the court and elsewhere. This "news" has already been cited in many media in China, which has so far been, in my opinion, seriously biased against Xiao. Is is fair?

Report this comment2010-09-30 01:42:53 PM
Posted by: Q LI#14583
Dear David Cyranoski

I guess your article was written based on some wrong information you got from Mr. Fang Shimin. Mr.Fang always alleged that Dr.Xiao wants to kill him after he got a physical attack by two men on Aug.29. However Fang's allegation is ridiculous as no body was so stupid or foolish to kill someone in daytime and downtown area with a lot of people around. I think it is just a ordinary and normal fighting between two or three men which occur every day in Beijing. If Fang Shimin is a ordinary people, Beijing police department would certainly not take tis case so seriously. I think if Dr.Xiao was indeed involved in this fighting or attack against Fang Shimin, most likely Dr.Xiao just wanted to send some people to scare Fang Shimin (show some color to him) as Fang repeatedly attacked and criticised Dr.Xiao for his surgical procedure in past five years. And we can see that Fang Shimin tried every effort to destroyed Xiao's reputation with his faked so called "first-hand" evidence. See:
http://www.sciencenet.cn/m/user_content.aspx?id=367028

Obviously this article was based on one-side information from Fang Shimin, and you didn't ask or verify some facts from Dr. Xiao. It is not fair to Dr.Xiao, especially at this time when the Xiao's case is still under investigation and Xiao has no chance to explain anything to public.

Report this comment2010-09-30 07:47:28 PM
Posted by: David HSU#14586
Hey, Xiao supporters, can you clarify whether Xiao is an Honorary Professor in the University of Hong Kong? Some sources mentioned that but some not.

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