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chipmunk: 刚刚签了IM prematch 的contract, 感触很多
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发信人: chipmunk (花栗鼠), 信区: MedicalCareer
标 题: 刚刚签了IM prematch 的contract, 感触很多
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Sun Dec 13 07:46:07 2009, 美东)

刚刚签了IM prematch 的contract, 感触很多.

自去年圣诞节前以来, 在麦麦提和刀客论坛上潜水割麦子已经一年有余, 获益良多。尤其老刀的文章,虽然不少忠言逆耳, 却常有醍醐灌顶的感觉,尤其是面试篇知己知彼篇,我和两个较年轻的PDs面试时均花了80%的时间谈当地的小学,孩子的教育,music class for kids。

等会将contract 寄出,我会静下心来,将自己的一点心得体会写出,希望给后来者一点警醒和鼓励。

个人简历:毕业13+年,来美10+年,二宝爹,一直在同一大学医学中心从事non direct patient contact 职业,us citizen, step1 90+, cs first attempt, ck 95+, 4 physician LoRs, sent out application to 30 programs in middle October, 4 IVs, but can’t get IV from any program without internal connection, prematch during 2rd interview.


有关考版的经验就不多说了,我的分数并不高,STEP1 93,CS first attempt, CK 98,
11月内完成。期间全职工作,master thesis defense in July。一定要参加复习小组
,相互取经,学习其他人鉴别诊断的技巧,Treatment,丰富的引申联想,以及高人的临床经
验,这是我的最大的,也是最受益的一点经验.

我的几个面试invitation 均来自university affiliated community hospitals,都是
通过内线获得的,其他的申请要么是递交得太迟了,要么估计都被PC用FMG+毕业年限给
filter out. 这里我想讲讲自己的两个面试,还没有面的两个都cancel了,仅供参考 。

注:我9/24才考完CK,十月中旬ecfmg certificate available后才递交,以为反正都
迟了,不如等全部都READY了,这是我犯下的一个重大错误,只是我实在是赶不及在9/1
前把所有工作都做好,我这回prematch是lucky而已,大家千万别学我。我的第二个IV
是extended来的,we would like to extend our invitation, 这是EMAIL里的原话,
program在十月中旬前就已经把所有的IV都发出去了。

第一个面试是一个LOCAL的医院,有5年CUT-OFF。我在这个医院的FAMILY MEDICINE做了
一个月的NIGHT FLOAT OB,这个医院的IM在本医院所有的PROGRAM中算好的了,Q3,80%
病人为INDIGENT OR NON-INSURED,前两年的BOARD PASS RATE 100%,但是TEACHING
QUALITY仍有很大的提高空间。我发出申请的第二天,给我写LOR的一个FAMILY MEDICIE
医生带着我去PROGRAM找PC说了一下,PC当场确认已经收到申请,这个医生和PD/PC其实
并不personally know each other. PC要我给PD直接写EMAIL。一周后我拿到了IV
INVITATION,二周后面试。这个PROGRAM去年INVITED 60个CANDIDATES面试,RANKED了
37个,12 PGY1 ALL FILLED。面试的问题很CLASSIC,tell me yourself, why this
program, what is your plan after 3 year training. PD一上来就说你的FIRST NAME
怎么和姚明的名字这么象,我一下子就扪了,只好赶快说姚明在我的HOMETOWN是最
POPULAR的,我们每个人都是他的FAN。好在PD没有追问下去,我只记得姚明是Rockets
的,还不敢引申话题,因为我也不make sure。 PD给我解释了一下为什么有5 year cut
-off,因为是担心年龄大了,不能也不虚心学了。后来和chief resident谈时,她提到
以前有两个CMG,一个很好,另一个made a lot of troubles,总是made his own
decision. PD花了很多时间问我为什么要go back to medicine, he said “looks
like you have completely settled down in your career, and I believe you are
well-paid”。我说,I volunteer in a free clinic, the clinic is ran by
medical students and volunteer attending … I feel very happy that I can
help the pt more directly and more in person … I’d like to help them more,
instead of supportive role as a …… 由于我没有经验,一直led by PD, 整个面
试都很被动,也没有给他信服的理由why I would like to go back to medicine,哎
,这太难了,总不能直接跟他说,I want to make more, I want to send my kids to
boarding school 吧。但是我想我向他证明了I like to learn new things, I am a
fast and dedicated learner. 我还用了二个CASES来证明这点,我想PD还比较满意我
的回答。据我面试前对该PROGRAM的了解,他们最关心的是INTERN愿不愿意学,能不能
WORK HARD。我想我的LORs 已经证明了I can work hard。PD 问我以后打算怎样
contribute back to the community. I said, my thesis advisor Dr. XXX is my
role model of this, he has been actively participated many community-based
projects, including some alliance projects btw two medical schools …… PD
说我听说过你advisor的名字,他给你写了非常好的LOR云云。

APD很NICE,他也详细看了我的APPLICATION,他详细问了我一个问题:why this
program,why not the program in the university you are working for now. APD
其时应该知道为什么my university 不招IMG,也许他担心我一年后transfer吧,what
I heard is that such case occurs almost every year in the program.我说,我在
这个城市呆了10年了… I don’t want to re-locate, my kids are in the best
public school, it is good to stay … for my family … 最后我说,I have been
working in XXX for 10 years, I know where my place would be, it is here 我用
手指point地下,这时候APD微笑了,看来他一直在给我设套。接着我们谈了一下我所在
COUNTY的学区和学校。他是这个program chief resident毕业,到外面晃悠了几年,去
年才回来,他也是唯一的一个回我thank you note email 的Faculty,信中提到you
have my full support 等等。

另一个APD曾在我现工作的学校做过POSTDOC,这大概是8,9年前的事了,没聊几句,我
说我看到过您的paper,然后APD就谈起她以前的老板Dr. YYY,怎么好,怎么好,我说我
听过他的一个seminar,老头很humor.然后她问了我在Family Medicine 做OB的事情,一
边听一边记,希望是用来evidence based, 给我加分用的。听说该program用10分制给
每一个candidate打分。

明天再写第二个IV的经历,去之前就和家里领导商量好了,因为涉及到family
relocate,spouse stay at home的问题。我在面试前对这个program及其所在地做了大
量的研究,尽量争取当场prematch,我自信做到了知己知彼,因为去之前我就知道,
program有两大自豪点:great teaching program + great place for a family to
live,but the program is located in a small town, 1 hr at least to other big
cities. they do have prematch within 2 days after the interview,请待下回分
解。


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※ 修改:·chipmunk 於 Dec 14 03:40:56 2009 修改本文·[FROM: 69.139.]
※ 来源:·WWW 未名空间站 海外: mitbbs.com 中国: mitbbs.cn·[FROM: 69.139.]

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1   [DrNewbie 于 2010-11-21 23:29:06 提到] [FROM: 98.]


Medi is back to its glory days in the absence of the obnoxious barking from the MadDog!!! Does anyone think there are some indispensable tips he actually learned from his private club? His club is such a joke.

I cant believe this kind of idiot exists in this world. Two words to describe this piece of human trash: shameless and stupid. USMedEdu, aka, MadDog, put the following thread in his blog and bold it in the front page. Yet, clearly, the answers he endorsed are the worst answers. The answer I provided got a nod from an English forum. Does he understand the concept of shame or logic? Not only he speaks/writes shitty English, he cant think straight either. And now he wants to drag everyone down with him. PITY! What kind of dumb ass slaps his own face in public? What a joke!
无极: 住院医生面试碰到的尴尬事( 力刀评注推荐及麦地网友讨论)

Doc has successfully sabotaged a good learning club. At the peak, the pre_resident_english_corner had over 95 members and hundreds of posts. Congratulations! I will jot down a few expressions and new words here and there for myself mostly. Sorry friends. I let you down. You guys are the only losers as the bystanders caught in the cross-fire between the two warring parties. Ironically, both of the two people at war came out as the only two 'winners'. Doc can claim his star power. I can focus on my study.

Clearly, this USMedEd cant think straight anymore at his age. To give his credit where credit is due, he is still good at copying/pasting of the posts written by others. Follow his rubbish advice at your peril. We can write a laundry list of his shitty advice. This is a guy who cant keep his job for long. I am still wondering why he had to side with the losing party in a political struggle at work as he put it in one of his posts. Most people would not get involved. Only confrontational and aggressive douche bags would go for it. They can be burned again and again and are still clueless as it is just bad luck and not their faults whatsoever.

It is not just me saying this. Read this:
[snowfox01 于 2010-11-02 17:25:32 提到] [FROM: 134.74.]
Dr.Newbie:Please be nice to this old man。
难道你没看见你把他生命中唯一的支柱----收集各种贴子,然后大言不惭的copy&post 到自己的网页。给打碎了。同时,他在麦地的“一手遮天” 用那二十年前的狗屁经验来误导新人,也让你给揭穿了。我能理解他的恼羞成怒。他也没几天了,就让他乐呵乐呵吧。

There is no doubt that my English is better than anyone else including Eric and that lumcsomething. I was actually touched by the applications to my club every day during this short time. While I am still trying to figuring out the best way to get people energized and the best way to help, it went kaboom. It is such a pity. Just imagine how much more I can help once I get into residency and finish it.

I am sorry it has gone this far. This dokknife has been attacking me relentlessly on anything I write for no good reason. I have to stand up for myself. He said it himself: He does not care whether I am right or wrong. So he makes it personal. Now, he got it. It is personal between him and me.

Feel free to say hello to me at your leisure. I dont have time to play with this piece of human trash and a sadist who excels in copying/pasting and who cant keep his jobs for long. Let him have his schadenfreude from how the ex-boss who canned him got divorced. Let him brag how successful he is in dismantling a learning place.

Lets watch which comes first: I get into residency or he got fired.

并爱好给人改错的蠢人的发言更充分地反映出其愚蠢和无知,她的所谓良好英语在她的愚蠢脑袋支配下成了砸她自己脚的石头。此人在麦地已经贩卖了无数的垃圾和错误得东西。我实在无法忍受这种蠢人无休无止地误导CMG.
-----Doc.
乌龟总是对眼王八,狼和狈总是为奸。
你和这个混球对上眼很正常。装糊涂装黄花大姑娘真有坐台小姐得姿态嘛。
-----Doc
你这WSN还真是咸吃萝卜蛋操心.
-----Doc
耗子乌龟王八苍蝇和垃圾.
-----Doc
狗屁不懂的蠢货,愚蠢跳粱BSO牛Xer还真是第一次出现。各位可以饱眼福了.
-----Doc
换王八壳子来口水的蠢货的蠢言蠢语愚不可及的暴露,她懂个狗P.
-----Doc
我当我的医生,真也是撑了的,给你这号250上课来了还指望你懂人话呢。俺还真不如去打兔子大雁打网球去了。你这号真是纯粹的生物WSN德性。
-----Doc
向你这号又哭穷和没地方找饭碗,还不愿去换个活法,才真让人烦的WSN德性呢!真该去CT或MRI了!
-----Doc
你丫的又该酸掉几个牙?尔等难怪人家说生物萎缩,真TMD不亏!
-----Doc
说你等装B萎缩吧,你还扭扭捏捏跟坐台的要装黄花大姑娘似的。想来邪的,俺不是
不会更不是没掐过。
-----Doc



You all think this is acceptable and a good presentation of character? What I said back is half what he has said to me. Every time I make an apology to him, I got spit-at-your-face response in return.

It is a pity to see a good club falling apart. At least I have the decency not to use my club as a venting joint. I am sorry that you are put between a rock and a hard place. I will understand if you have to quit the club. You are always welcome to use a majia and check us out. This club is not intended as a base for isolation or a launch pad for personal attacks. It is a place purely devoted to English skills. It is a really a shame that Doc would pull people out of a club just to make people take sides. I dont see how he sabotages an educational club would help his cause. Yes, he has succeeded in pulling 20 people out of my English club and he can claim it is a win-lose-lose situation for himself. But ultimately, it is a lose-lose-lose situation.


1 [DrNewbie 于 2010-11-08 22:03:16 提到][删除][修改] [FROM: 98.119.]
Do you have any traces of honor and integrity left in your body? What a piece of human trash. How hard is it to admit you were wrong? What a stupid, arrogant, crazy bitch. Your bark is worse than your bite. Pathetic loser. You promote a 'clean' medi. Yet, you started a club for the sole purpose of shitting in it.You are a disgrace to the human race.

Read this and you know how it started and what I said is exactly what Doc said to me in English. And he said it a dozen of times to me.

http://www.mitbbs.com/pc/pccon_7773_142905.html

1 [DrNewbie 于 2010-11-08 23:51:41 提到][删除][修改]

What I said is half of what you have said to me. What are you whining about? Be a man. Fight fair and square. Dont just shit in your own compound. You thought you will get sympathy from your followers? What you get is despise from your sympathizers.

2 [DrNewbie 于 2010-11-08 23:05:40 提到][删除][修改]
Clearly you have no comprehension of English. You have a low EQ. You are clueless here. Why dont you shut your mouth? Be a man and make an apology to me. I have apologized to you a dozen of times. What I get is spit-at-my-face every time in return. Do you have any integrity and honor left in u?

3. All said and done. You truly think you gain the upper hand by locking me outside? You truly think I will lose without getting into your club? Seriously, dont flatter yourself. I have connections to match into a good University program already. I personally know a couple of Chinese PDs and American PDs. Give me a break already.

Lexian (蒙古大夫) 于 (Thu Feb 11 12:11:31 2010, 美东) 提到:

I think you are pointing this to me. I can honestly tell you i don't have
any MaJia. never had and never will. I don't hold personal grudge against
anybody, especially this one. it's not worth my time.

However, i think you are biased by assuming people who are against tyranny
and unjust are against anyone specifically. I can only speak for myself
because i really don't know anyone else that got into similar kind of
argument with him. I have no intention of "打击正在做的人", but that doesn't
mean i won't say "WAIT A MINUTE, THIS IS NO RIGHT" when i see posts like
the one i respond to.

As i have stated long long time ago, CMG's history in this country are short
. Our mission goes far beyond getting into residency. A public forum that
attracts examiners, residents and PRACTICING PHYSICIANS is very important in
exchange information and experience. I just can't help laughing when i see
some guy who happen to got into residency wants to "harmonize" the forum. I
can honestly say the game just starts AFTER you graduate. Please refrain
from your "GOD" like euphoria of getting into the residency,

发信人: amanda12 (digest08), 信区: Biology
标 题: Re: 给生物同学们: dojo: 走进美国医学院之旅
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Fri Oct 22 08:01:00 2010, 美东)

我想说的是,作为一名医生,应该有更高的道德标准,宽容心和同情心,医生是和人打
交道的职业,会碰到各种各样人,首先我们想到的是他是我的病人,不管他是杀人犯还
是某某人大代表,穷人和富人,都要统一对待。不会因为别人过激言语或者什么而去计
较,要这有宽容心,能站在他人的角度去理解对方,这才会得到对方的信任。不要动不
动就对别人丢WSN。。。你只会显出你心胸狭隘,既与你的医生身份不配,也会让人鄙
视!以前看过你在丁香园的帖子,貌似你没完成专科移植是因为2老美因为你手术做得
好排挤你。
别人稍与你意见不同就恶言相向,言辞激烈,这是你说服别人的办法吗?是从一名医生
口里出来的话吗?要得到别人的尊重和赞美,同时需要你在本专业的优秀和个人魅力,
一言一行感动别人,取得别人信任,医生更是如此。尊重别人的同时,别人才会尊重你
也许力刀的初衷是好的,但是从他的言语看来,更让人觉得是个暴发户。。。。

发信人: Viky (转身插口袋), 信区: Biology
标 题: Re: 给生物同学们: dojo: 走进美国医学院之旅
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Thu Oct 21 20:03:42 2010, 美东)

只有250才会在网上显摆自己的薪水,当年这厮也显摆自己在osu的薪水,现在总算得到
头的"亲徕"了

发信人: redasuka (EVA-02), 信区: Biology
标 题: Re: 给生物同学们: dojo: 走进美国医学院之旅
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Fri Oct 22 03:59:15 2010, 美东)

没啥奇怪的,考版的那些人本身就花了比一般PhD多得多的时间和精力,当然希望能换
来一点优越感。何况不少大陆的MD最后在北美都是在做内科儿科什么的,每天工作也很
压抑,只好靠贬低别人获得一点心理安慰啦。

说实话,我在这边认识的混得好的中国MD还没有Bio/BME的faculty比率高,绝大多数30
-40岁的Attending还是处在天天接待黑哥们的境界,收入税前也就100k多点。真正混得
好、拿大钱的的MD,那是少数,而且基本都是白人。

不是说老中没有MD混得好的,只不过那些混得好的是人家真牛,在哪一行能牛起来。至
于只是为了混碗饭吃的,还是要多掂量几下自己折腾的起不。

发信人: Kiwixi (kiwi), 信区: Biology
标 题: Re: 给生物同学们: dojo: 走进美国医学院之旅
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Fri Oct 22 04:05:37 2010, 美东)

这斯绝对是凭着CMG来美国弄了一个博后的位子。可想而知,实验室做的一塌糊涂,老
板天天骂,连老婆也看不起,留空就跑到楼外面捡烟屁股抽。
然后就考了版,摇身一变就成了医生。

薪水涨了,心魔却去不了,跟同行比,口音重,年龄大,还是来这里显摆,
打着普渡众生的幌子,年复一年贴几个链接,满足自己的虚荣心。本来考版当医生就是
一个职业,非要搞成一个崇拜一个图腾,入门的教众齐颂文成武德哈里路亚癫狂不已。

你那几个链接还是自己留在记事本里吧。不需要你这样自上而下的伪善。

最后送你几句话,真的是为你好,淡定一些,从容一些,都快半百的人了。

他人骑大马,我独跨驴子,回顾担柴汉,心下较些子。
发信人: snowfox01 (白面狐), 信区: Biology
标 题: Re: 给生物同学们: dojo: 走进美国医学院之旅
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Fri Oct 22 14:16:58 2010, 美东)


我可以理解许多国人为五斗米折腰,想得到需要的信息。但是十年前的经验今天不一定
适用了。而且他像传销一样给许多老CMG False hope,一些老毕业生像打了鸡血一样跟
随他, 做了不且实际的选择, 也不知害了多少家庭。精神病人很可怕, 若他再领着
一帮人, 这帮人真是可怜。 take a look:

发信人: USMedEdu (US_CMGs), 信区: MedicalCareer
标 题: Re: 考版俱乐部(Pre_Resident_Club)成立!
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Fri Oct 22 10:45:26 2010, 美东)

click the link and go to club site to apply. Once you apply there, your ID
will be in waiting list for approval.

发信人: lostknife (麦地俯卧撑), 信区: MedicalCareer
标 题: Re: 考版俱乐部(Pre_Resident_Club)成立!
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Fri Oct 22 13:03:31 2010, 美东)

I fully support the idea and be happy to join.
But it shows:抱歉, 缺少参数, 加入俱乐部失败!
please advise what I should do to join the club.
Thanks.

发信人: lostknife (麦地俯卧撑), 信区: MedicalCareer
标 题: Re: 考版俱乐部(Pre_Resident_Club)成立!
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Fri Oct 22 13:05:16 2010, 美东)

By the way, I am a good-egg who hate the bad-egg!

【 在 meigui0714 (rose) 的大作中提到: 】
: 谢谢你的(USMedEdu)忠告。"听人劝,吃饱饭"。我会好自为之的。
: 但是,一个好的论坛氛围,需要大家的努力。我们做为老生,应该已实事求是的态度引: 导后生们走好,走稳自己的路。人生只有一次,尤其是毕业时间长,没有经历过美国正: 规教育的老生们,我们已经没有"试验”"尝试"的时间了。三思而后行, 一旦做出了决: 定,就不要犹豫,大刀阔fu, 勇往直前。
: 尊敬的老前辈,这里是公共论坛,不是你个人的博客。老了,不但应该"自尊,自爱",: 更要尊重他人的不同看法,意见,这样才能赢得更多的尊敬。“唯我独尊”“我是老: 大我怕谁”的心态是万万要不得的。这里不是"黑色会”,这里不需要“教父”!: 读者的眼睛是雪亮的,这个论坛的读者们都是受过高等教育的,相信他们清楚,谁更浅薄。


发信人: Oncogene (何时问天), 信区: Biology
标 题: Re: 给生物同学们: dojo: 走进美国医学院之旅
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Wed Oct 20 18:22:24 2010, 美东)

不要再“尔等,尔等”的了,让人看了烦。身边考版做医生的太多太多了,也没见几个
这么嚣张的。

我不相信这世界有啥救世主。试图做救世主的,脑袋真的需要MRI啦

发信人: yoyoch (yoyoch), 信区: Biology
标 题: Re: 给生物同学们: dojo: 走进美国医学院之旅
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Wed Oct 20 23:39:59 2010, 美东)

素质,素质。
风度,风度。

发信人: KeeVan (Kevin), 信区: Biology
标 题: Re: 给生物同学们: dojo: 走进美国医学院之旅
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Wed Oct 20 23:57:59 2010, 美东)

你说你瞎急啥。就是因为你没说赚多少钱,但是又说生物wsn泛酸,我没看明白人家为什么泛酸。讨论讨论问题不行啊,你这素质也太低贱了,我看还是别行医了

发信人: pigsun (屁哥~~大圣教候补二师兄), 信区: Biology
标 题: Re: 给生物同学们: dojo: 走进美国医学院之旅
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Thu Oct 21 01:07:33 2010, 美东)

散了吧,老刀确实不是来劝退的,也不是故意显摆,其实,他就是专门来找抽的...
--
哈,说出来心里舒服多哩

发信人: Oncogene (何时问天), 信区: Biology
标 题: Re: 给生物同学们: dojo: 走进美国医学院之旅
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Thu Oct 21 01:25:47 2010, 美东)

我都懒得抽她。这么大年纪了,好好说话会死啊??

发信人: Oncogene (何时问天), 信区: Biology
标 题: Re: 给生物同学们: dojo: 走进美国医学院之旅
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Thu Oct 21 01:33:02 2010, 美东)

最后回你一贴吧:
你还是真是个幻想狂人唉。还有吧,就你这口气和心态,现实中能过得舒服还真是见了鬼了。算了,刚才说了,说你也是白说。你还是好好找工作吧,最好找个$1million/yr的,可千万别把自己的高等生活给葬送了呀,走到今天(昨天)也怪不容易的。。。

发信人: Oncogene (何时问天), 信区: Biology
标 题: Re: 给生物同学们: dojo: 走进美国医学院之旅
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Thu Oct 21 01:48:19 2010, 美东)

^_^,你这风向转的还真快

靠骂别人或者教训别人是不可能有效传播自己的信息的。就这种性格,他下个工作也
干不久,哪个上下级能受得了这种人啊。好象别人没见过钱没见过医生没见过成功
人士一样,一副高高在上的架势,受不了。

发信人: newlily (lily), 信区: Biology
标 题: Re: 给生物同学们: dojo: 走进美国医学院之旅
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Thu Oct 21 09:18:43 2010, 美东)

老刀,本来我是挺尊敬您的,想从您的帖子学点东西,结果谩骂满篇,没有一点有用的东西。

发信人: Viky (转身插口袋), 信区: Biology
标 题: Re: 给生物同学们: dojo: 走进美国医学院之旅
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Thu Oct 21 11:19:53 2010, 美东)

这厮两次被fired了,还特喜欢到处指手画脚

标 题: Re: 给生物同学们: dojo: 走进美国医学院之旅
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Thu Oct 21 14:10:26 2010, 美东)

1.相信大家都有北美工作经验,新chair来了,就辞掉所有的人,可能吗?道是有可能
。。。。,

2.“加拿大拿的工资比美国大学薪水要高一倍可工
: 作量才是美国的1/4(其实俺每天1小时就干完了!)” 这种事情只会发生在社会主义
中国。 加拿大? 你可别弄的跟唐骏似的。
3.你是为了祖国加拿大的医学发展,毅然决然放弃了美国的高薪
工作,回到了加拿大了吧。

发信人: Viky (转身插口袋), 信区: Biology
标 题: Re: 给生物同学们: dojo: 走进美国医学院之旅
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Thu Oct 21 11:31:42 2010, 美东)

正常个p, 被fired了就是被fired, 没见过这么不要脸的


【 在 USMedEdu (US_CMGs) 的大作中提到: 】
: 窝草! 俺自己在网上说过,还怕你来拾俺的鞋后跟泥巴砸俺不成?
: 被新chair辞了,换朝换臣找新工作在北美不是常事吗?哪个医生老死在一个单位的?
: 俺要再显摆一把告诉你俺现在在加拿大拿的工资比美国大学薪水要高一倍可工
: 作量才是美国的1/4(其实俺每天1小时就干完了!)你丫的又该酸掉几个牙?
: 尔等难怪人家说生物萎缩,真TMD不亏!




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1 [Viky 于 2010-11-12 09:42:23 提到][删除] [FROM: 152.11.]
劝 lz别跟那个老250浪费时间了。。
 
2   [USMedEdu 于 2009-12-18 10:55:51 提到] [FROM: 140.]
发信人: chipmunk (花栗鼠), 信区: MedicalCareer
标 题: 刚刚签了IM prematch 的contract,一点面试体会 (全)
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Mon Dec 14 03:30:25 2009, 美东)

刚刚签了IM prematch 的contract,一点面试体会(3)

下面是我和PD的面试经历,和APD的面试经历大同小异,这里就不另外写了。在我的所有面试中,没有任何人问及我medical question。我prematch的program, Chair, PD,APD,two chief residents,PC都仔细看了我的CV,陪我吃晚饭和中饭的PGY1,PGY3也看了。从他们的表情中我可以看出他们impressed by 我来美十年瞎折腾的经历。我的经历其实是我的弱项,因为我不专心,3几年之内必换个地方,专业也换了。也许是我的经历吸引了PD们的眼球吧,也有了更多的谈资,同时也因为我的LOR很strong,给我写信的4个physicians都与我有学业或工作上的联系,在工作中我总是认真对待他们的每一个request,而且总是给出alternative solution to facilitate their research or help them to better follow up their patients。到这个program面试前几天,我的一个LOR还没有被scan进EARS,我打电话给这个physician,问他能不能把他的LOR直接给PD EMAIL过去。这个physician 二话没说,几分钟就办了。想起以前这个physician 找我要data,我总是当天就干,争取不过夜给他弄好。真是回抱啊。见PD时,打完招呼后我就问他 Have you received email from Dr. AAA?
PD: yes, yes, your recommendation is impressive, everyone likes you ……
Me: thank you for saying that, they are very supportive.
……

我可不想被PD位追问我毕业年限的问题,于是我主动出击,of course, do it very softly.

Me: Did you graduate from XXX medical school?
PD: yes
Me: my advisor Dr. YYY also graduated from XXX medical school. He is my mentor for my master thesis … He worked in XXX for many years before he moved to ZZZ medical school.
PD: I remember I saw his name. What is his specialty? (my advisor is not an internist, PD can’t remember where he saw the name)
……

PD: when did you come? do you look around the town yesterday?
Me: yes … the town is quiet, small, but very nice, I like it. (PD 的眼睛亮了)
Me: actually, before I came, I have learned a little bit about your program and the town. (PD 的眼睛更亮了)
然后我就说了一通和Chair说过的话。
Me: I went to your XXX (elementary) school yesterday afternoon. My wife asked to take some video and picture over there. I also spoke to some teachers in school. They are very nice. (PD从他的椅子上向前又倾了一下)。
然后PD就告诉我这里的学校很好,他有三个孩子,wife stays at home。他以前也在大城市,后来决定搬回来,其中一个原因就是不想孩子在大城市里grow up。接着我们就谈起了当地的教育系统,孩子的教育,music class for kids。我问他当地有没有教violin的老师,PD说有,他还想知道what do they play? 我就用自己的smartphone给他play 了一段video that my son played violin solo. PD很吃惊,说你家小子几岁了,he could be a star in school. 哎,要靠儿子来帮我争取prematch了。然后我就说I am looking for a program not only for myself, but also for my family. Your program is a perfect fit, and I hope you feel the same way. 接着我就问他听说你们这有prematch,PD说是啊是啊,我们这里有prematch,给非常好的candidate,你应该带你的spouse一起来面试,让她也实地看一下。我说,本来要带她和两个孩子来的,但是两个孩子都在上学,她有full-time 工作,但是we have decided that she will stay at home when I start my residency. 然后我又很真心地把太太夸了一便,我还说,其实在来面试前我和我太太就研究过这个program, 其实我们已经make a decision (我在暗示PD我会接受他的offer).

面试的最后一项是PC带我一个人去看resident housing, sport center, community facilities near the hospital. 我们看得很仔细,我还和PC谈了how many bed rooms my family needs 问题,PC说她会和program 以及PD提,这个时候我意识到program是真的对我非常感幸趣了。果不然,第二天PD给我打电话给offer时还提到这回事,说一定争取这样的apt给你。

第二天早上8am, 我还没来得及把thank you note 给email 出去(我是开车连夜离开的),PD给我打电话说,we are impressed by your capability to handle your work, your master study, and your family … you would like to offer you a prematch ……

面试当天晚上我给太太打电话说,program很有可能会给我prematch,如果是真的话,我们还是接受吧,另外两个programs 并不一定比这个好(if consider my career and family together),也不一定要我,也不会有更多的面试机会了,第一个面试的program历史上从来没有给过prematch。早点match的话家里也有足够的时间准备和move on。 我觉得我太太已经有点”stressful”的苗头了。真是辛苦她了,如果有下辈子的话,心肝情愿为她做牛做马。这个版有必要开一个分栏the home for match spouse, 让重要的另一位也有一个专门的地方share information and relieve stress.



刚刚签了IM prematch 的contract,一点面试体会(2)

Sorry still preparing for step 3, got tied up with stuff so pardon the delay.

我的第二个IV是在一个attending的帮助下获得的,这个attending和Chair及PD并不直接认识,但在他的影响下,PD看到了我的application。第二天我就收到了IV invitation。在每个program都 flooded by thousands of applications 的今天,connection seems to be the only way that remains promised.

注:以下是我收到的一个rejection letter, 这个program只有8个spots:

"Thank you for your application to our Internal Medicine program. This season we had nearly 3200 applicants with just over 100 interview slots, which we filled very quickly. At this point we are no longer reviewing applications for interview candidates and we wanted to inform you that we are decling the opportunity to interview you this season”

在我去interview前,我很自信能打动所有的interviewers。首先,虽然这个program在过去的两年里只招毕业<5 years 而且来美前有临床经历的IMG,但是program还是给了我interview invitation,这足以证明program对我的重视,我的胜算绝对是其他candidates的数倍。如果我的interview表现也如同我的LoR一样strong,也如同我的PS,CV和人生经历一样丰富多彩的话(汗,太难了,又要humble,又要会吹自己),我非常有把握至少让program考虑给我prematch。我才不担心personal interview,印巴fresh graduate是年轻,语言好,但他们能和PD们谈什么?谈他们大三时在lab里做过rotation?谈他们什么时候在哪里做过volunteer?我们CMG在美国这里安家立业这么多年,做实验,发文章,搞身份,弄孩子,东搞搞,西转转,瞎折腾。。。哪个小事拈过来都可以和PD们扯上半个小时,还怕没话讲?我唯一担心的是PD们看不到我们CMG的application,都被PC筛掉了。

以下是我的面试经历:

Meet and dinner out with two PGY1. 均来自India, graduated in 2007. 告诉我说PGY1里还有2008毕业的。

Meet Chair. 老头目光炯炯有神,仿佛要把我看穿似的。一上来就问我想谈什么,我说anything is all right. 老头明显看过我的CV,但没有看我的PS。他问我what is the principle infectious disease illness now in China? 我出国前念过microbiology 的master,为了做课题曾经上山下乡抽过几千号病人的血。然后我们就从HBV一直谈到SARS,avian influenza virus,乃至Schistosomiasis,which can cause long-term disability。我还告诉老头the frightful scene when my boat lost its engine power near a remote rural village and the village had recently suffered from flooding and then disease outbreak. 最后我还反问老头what is the principle IDs locally? Do you see Schistosomiasis before? 老头说没有,很遗憾的样子:) 接着老头就让我难堪了,问起我non direct patient contact for 13+ years. I said: 大概这个意思吧, Well, I know you have concern about this, but to me, it seems not to be a big problem, please let me explain:
I believe I did excellent in USMLE tests.
I like to learn new things; I am a fast and dedicated learner. 然后我又引用了第一次IV的二个CASES。
I am working on patient chart every day. Every H&P, Treatment Plan Form, Procedure Note, or Patient Summary, etc. I open from my work is a patient-specific case for me to learn.
……
I did ob / externship, it won't take long for me to pick it up.

然后老头问我hobbits,我说我打网球,but out of work and medicine, my family occupies most of my time. I play WII games with my kids. They like to play with me, b/c I always let them win. 老头听了哈哈大笑。我顺便说my family is very supportive, my wife is a MD too, but she will stay at home when I start my residency ……老头居然把这个信息记在他的本子上了。然后我说family is one of my concerns when I am looking for a program. I think I have learned a little bit about your program before I came. 老头说:you have? 我说:I am working with Dr. XXX now, I heard a lot about your program from him. I like your program not only b/c it is great teaching program, but also it is a great place for a family and kids to live. 老头听了很高兴,正好这时PC来摧了,老头说你应该把这话告诉PD,然后握手告别,我说很高兴很您谈,下次向您请教美国和LOCAL的IDs.

明天写和PD面试经历.



刚刚签了IM prematch 的contract,一点面试体会(1)

有关考版的经验就不多说了,我的分数并不高,STEP1 93,CS first attempt, CK 98,
11月内完成。期间全职工作,master thesis defense in July。一定要参加复习小组
,相互取经,学习其他人鉴别诊断的技巧,Treatment,丰富的引申联想,以及高人的临床经
验,这是我的最大的,也是最受益的一点经验.

我的几个面试invitation 均来自university affiliated community hospitals,都是
通过内线获得的,其他的申请要么是递交得太迟了,要么估计都被PC用FMG+毕业年限给
filter out. 这里我想讲讲自己的两个面试,还没有面的两个都cancel了,仅供参考 。

注:我9/24才考完CK,十月中旬ecfmg certificate available后才递交,以为反正都
迟了,不如等全部都READY了,这是我犯下的一个重大错误,只是我实在是赶不及在9/1
前把所有工作都做好,我这回prematch是lucky而已,大家千万别学我。我的第二个IV
是extended来的,we would like to extend our invitation, 这是EMAIL里的原话,
program在十月中旬前就已经把所有的IV都发出去了。

第一个面试是一个LOCAL的医院,有5年CUT-OFF。我在这个医院的FAMILY MEDICINE做了
一个月的NIGHT FLOAT OB,这个医院的IM在本医院所有的PROGRAM中算好的了,Q3,80%
病人为INDIGENT OR NON-INSURED,前两年的BOARD PASS RATE 100%,但是TEACHING
QUALITY仍有很大的提高空间。我发出申请的第二天,给我写LOR的一个FAMILY MEDICIE
医生带着我去PROGRAM找PC说了一下,PC当场确认已经收到申请,这个医生和PD/PC其实
并不personally know each other. PC要我给PD直接写EMAIL。一周后我拿到了IV
INVITATION,二周后面试。这个PROGRAM去年INVITED 60个CANDIDATES面试,RANKED了
37个,12 PGY1 ALL FILLED。面试的问题很CLASSIC,tell me yourself, why this
program, what is your plan after 3 year training. PD一上来就说你的FIRST NAME
怎么和姚明的名字这么象,我一下子就扪了,只好赶快说姚明在我的HOMETOWN是最
POPULAR的,我们每个人都是他的FAN。好在PD没有追问下去,我只记得姚明是Rockets
的,还不敢引申话题,因为我也不make sure。 PD给我解释了一下为什么有5 year cut
-off,因为是担心年龄大了,不能也不虚心学了。后来和chief resident谈时,她提到
以前有两个CMG,一个很好,另一个made a lot of troubles,总是made his own
decision. PD花了很多时间问我为什么要go back to medicine, he said “looks
like you have completely settled down in your career, and I believe you are
well-paid”。我说,I volunteer in a free clinic, the clinic is ran by
medical students and volunteer attending … I feel very happy that I can
help the pt more directly and more in person … I’d like to help them more,
instead of supportive role as a …… 由于我没有经验,一直led by PD, 整个面
试都很被动,也没有给他信服的理由why I would like to go back to medicine,哎
,这太难了,总不能直接跟他说,I want to make more, I want to send my kids to
boarding school 吧。但是我想我向他证明了I like to learn new things, I am a
fast and dedicated learner. 我还用了二个CASES来证明这点,我想PD还比较满意我
的回答。据我面试前对该PROGRAM的了解,他们最关心的是INTERN愿不愿意学,能不能
WORK HARD。我想我的LORs 已经证明了I can work hard。PD 问我以后打算怎样
contribute back to the community. I said, my thesis advisor Dr. XXX is my
role model of this, he has been actively participated many community-based
projects, including some alliance projects btw two medical schools …… PD
说我听说过你advisor的名字,他给你写了非常好的LOR云云。

APD很NICE,他也详细看了我的APPLICATION,他详细问了我一个问题:why this
program,why not the program in the university you are working for now. APD
其时应该知道为什么my university 不招IMG,也许他担心我一年后transfer吧,what
I heard is that such case occurs almost every year in the program.我说,我在
这个城市呆了10年了… I don’t want to re-locate, my kids are in the best
public school, it is good to stay … for my family … 最后我说,I have been
working in XXX for 10 years, I know where my place would be, it is here 我用
手指point地下,这时候APD微笑了,看来他一直在给我设套。接着我们谈了一下我所在
COUNTY的学区和学校。他是这个program chief resident毕业,到外面晃悠了几年,去
年才回来,他也是唯一的一个回我thank you note email 的Faculty,信中提到you
have my full support 等等。

另一个APD曾在我现工作的学校做过POSTDOC,这大概是8,9年前的事了,没聊几句,我
说我看到过您的paper,然后APD就谈起她以前的老板Dr. YYY,怎么好,怎么好,我说我
听过他的一个seminar,老头很humor.然后她问了我在Family Medicine 做OB的事情,一
边听一边记,希望是用来evidence based, 给我加分用的。听说该program用10分制给
每一个candidate打分。

明天再写第二个IV的经历,去之前就和家里领导商量好了,因为涉及到family
relocate,spouse stay at home的问题。我在面试前对这个program及其所在地做了大
量的研究,尽量争取当场prematch,我自信做到了知己知彼,因为去之前我就知道,
program有两大自豪点:great teaching program + great place for a family to
live,but the program is located in a small town, 1 hr at least to other big
cities. they do have prematch within 2 days after the interview,请待下回分
解。










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3   [USMedEdu 于 2009-12-16 10:36:16 提到] [FROM: 140.]
发信人: chipmunk (花栗鼠), 信区: MedicalCareer
标 题: 刚刚签了IM prematch 的contract,一点面试体会(1)(2)
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Mon Dec 14 03:30:25 2009, 美东)

Sorry still preparing for step 3, got tied up with stuff so pardon the delay.

我的第二个IV是在一个attending的帮助下获得的,这个attending和Chair及PD并不直接认识,但在他的影响下,PD看到了我的application。第二天我就收到了IV invitation。在每个program都 flooded by thousands of applications 的今天,connection seems to be the only way that remains promised.

注:以下是我收到的一个rejection letter, 这个program只有8个spots:

"Thank you for your application to our Internal Medicine program. This season we had nearly 3200 applicants with just over 100 interview slots, which we filled very quickly. At this point we are no longer reviewing applications for interview candidates and we wanted to inform you that we are decling the opportunity to interview you this season”

在我去interview前,我很自信能打动所有的interviewers。首先,虽然这个program在过去的两年里只招毕业<5 years 而且来美前有临床经历的IMG,但是program还是给了我interview invitation,这足以证明program对我的重视,我的胜算绝对是其他candidates的数倍。如果我的interview表现也如同我的LoR一样strong,也如同我的PS,CV和人生经历一样丰富多彩的话(汗,太难了,又要humble,又要会吹自己),我非常有把握至少让program考虑给我prematch。我才不担心personal interview,印巴fresh graduate是年轻,语言好,但他们能和PD们谈什么?谈他们大三时在lab里做过rotation?谈他们什么时候在哪里做过volunteer?我们CMG在美国这里安家立业这么多年,做实验,发文章,搞身份,弄孩子,东搞搞,西转转,瞎折腾。。。哪个小事拈过来都可以和PD们扯上半个小时,还怕没话讲?我唯一担心的是PD们看不到我们CMG的application,都被PC筛掉了。

以下是我的面试经历:

Meet and dinner out with two PGY1. 均来自India, graduated in 2007. 告诉我说PGY1里还有2008毕业的。

Meet Chair. 老头目光炯炯有神,仿佛要把我看穿似的。一上来就问我想谈什么,我说anything is all right. 老头明显看过我的CV,但没有看我的PS。他问我what is the principle infectious disease illness now in China? 我出国前念过microbiology 的master,为了做课题曾经上山下乡抽过几千号病人的血。然后我们就从HBV一直谈到SARS,avian influenza virus,乃至Schistosomiasis,which can cause long-term disability。我还告诉老头the frightful scene when my boat lost its engine power near a remote rural village and the village had recently suffered from flooding and then disease outbreak. 最后我还反问老头what is the principle IDs locally? Do you see Schistosomiasis before? 老头说没有,很遗憾的样子:) 接着老头就让我难堪了,问起我non direct patient contact for 13+ years. I said: 大概这个意思吧, Well, I know you have concern about this, but to me, it seems not to be a big problem, please let me explain:
I believe I did excellent in USMLE tests.
I like to learn new things; I am a fast and dedicated learner. 然后我又引用了第一次IV的二个CASES。
I am working on patient chart every day. Every H&P, Treatment Plan Form, Procedure Note, or Patient Summary, etc. I open from my work is a patient-specific case for me to learn.
……
I did ob / externship, it won't take long for me to pick it up.

然后老头问我hobbits,我说我打网球,but out of work and medicine, my family occupies most of my time. I play WII games with my kids. They like to play with me, b/c I always let them win. 老头听了哈哈大笑。我顺便说my family is very supportive, my wife is a MD too, but she will stay at home when I start my residency ……老头居然把这个信息记在他的本子上了。然后我说family is one of my concerns when I am looking for a program. I think I have learned a little bit about your program before I came. 老头说:you have? 我说:I am working with Dr. XXX now, I heard a lot about your program from him. I like your program not only b/c it is great teaching program, but also it is a great place for a family and kids to live. 老头听了很高兴,正好这时PC来摧了,老头说你应该把这话告诉PD,然后握手告别,我说很高兴很您谈,下次向您请教美国和LOCAL的IDs.

明天写和PD面试经历.





有关考版的经验就不多说了,我的分数并不高,STEP1 93,CS first attempt, CK 98,
11月内完成。期间全职工作,master thesis defense in July。一定要参加复习小组
,相互取经,学习其他人鉴别诊断的技巧,Treatment,丰富的引申联想,以及高人的临床经
验,这是我的最大的,也是最受益的一点经验.

我的几个面试invitation 均来自university affiliated community hospitals,都是
通过内线获得的,其他的申请要么是递交得太迟了,要么估计都被PC用FMG+毕业年限给
filter out. 这里我想讲讲自己的两个面试,还没有面的两个都cancel了,仅供参考 。

注:我9/24才考完CK,十月中旬ecfmg certificate available后才递交,以为反正都
迟了,不如等全部都READY了,这是我犯下的一个重大错误,只是我实在是赶不及在9/1
前把所有工作都做好,我这回prematch是lucky而已,大家千万别学我。我的第二个IV
是extended来的,we would like to extend our invitation, 这是EMAIL里的原话,
program在十月中旬前就已经把所有的IV都发出去了。

第一个面试是一个LOCAL的医院,有5年CUT-OFF。我在这个医院的FAMILY MEDICINE做了
一个月的NIGHT FLOAT OB,这个医院的IM在本医院所有的PROGRAM中算好的了,Q3,80%
病人为INDIGENT OR NON-INSURED,前两年的BOARD PASS RATE 100%,但是TEACHING
QUALITY仍有很大的提高空间。我发出申请的第二天,给我写LOR的一个FAMILY MEDICIE
医生带着我去PROGRAM找PC说了一下,PC当场确认已经收到申请,这个医生和PD/PC其实
并不personally know each other. PC要我给PD直接写EMAIL。一周后我拿到了IV
INVITATION,二周后面试。这个PROGRAM去年INVITED 60个CANDIDATES面试,RANKED了
37个,12 PGY1 ALL FILLED。面试的问题很CLASSIC,tell me yourself, why this
program, what is your plan after 3 year training. PD一上来就说你的FIRST NAME
怎么和姚明的名字这么象,我一下子就扪了,只好赶快说姚明在我的HOMETOWN是最
POPULAR的,我们每个人都是他的FAN。好在PD没有追问下去,我只记得姚明是Rockets
的,还不敢引申话题,因为我也不make sure。 PD给我解释了一下为什么有5 year cut
-off,因为是担心年龄大了,不能也不虚心学了。后来和chief resident谈时,她提到
以前有两个CMG,一个很好,另一个made a lot of troubles,总是made his own
decision. PD花了很多时间问我为什么要go back to medicine, he said “looks
like you have completely settled down in your career, and I believe you are
well-paid”。我说,I volunteer in a free clinic, the clinic is ran by
medical students and volunteer attending … I feel very happy that I can
help the pt more directly and more in person … I’d like to help them more,
instead of supportive role as a …… 由于我没有经验,一直led by PD, 整个面
试都很被动,也没有给他信服的理由why I would like to go back to medicine,哎
,这太难了,总不能直接跟他说,I want to make more, I want to send my kids to
boarding school 吧。但是我想我向他证明了I like to learn new things, I am a
fast and dedicated learner. 我还用了二个CASES来证明这点,我想PD还比较满意我
的回答。据我面试前对该PROGRAM的了解,他们最关心的是INTERN愿不愿意学,能不能
WORK HARD。我想我的LORs 已经证明了I can work hard。PD 问我以后打算怎样
contribute back to the community. I said, my thesis advisor Dr. XXX is my
role model of this, he has been actively participated many community-based
projects, including some alliance projects btw two medical schools …… PD
说我听说过你advisor的名字,他给你写了非常好的LOR云云。

APD很NICE,他也详细看了我的APPLICATION,他详细问了我一个问题:why this
program,why not the program in the university you are working for now. APD
其时应该知道为什么my university 不招IMG,也许他担心我一年后transfer吧,what
I heard is that such case occurs almost every year in the program.我说,我在
这个城市呆了10年了… I don’t want to re-locate, my kids are in the best
public school, it is good to stay … for my family … 最后我说,I have been
working in XXX for 10 years, I know where my place would be, it is here 我用
手指point地下,这时候APD微笑了,看来他一直在给我设套。接着我们谈了一下我所在
COUNTY的学区和学校。他是这个program chief resident毕业,到外面晃悠了几年,去
年才回来,他也是唯一的一个回我thank you note email 的Faculty,信中提到you
have my full support 等等。

另一个APD曾在我现工作的学校做过POSTDOC,这大概是8,9年前的事了,没聊几句,我
说我看到过您的paper,然后APD就谈起她以前的老板Dr. YYY,怎么好,怎么好,我说我
听过他的一个seminar,老头很humor.然后她问了我在Family Medicine 做OB的事情,一
边听一边记,希望是用来evidence based, 给我加分用的。听说该program用10分制给
每一个candidate打分。

明天再写第二个IV的经历,去之前就和家里领导商量好了,因为涉及到family
relocate,spouse stay at home的问题。我在面试前对这个program及其所在地做了大
量的研究,尽量争取当场prematch,我自信做到了知己知彼,因为去之前我就知道,
program有两大自豪点:great teaching program + great place for a family to
live,but the program is located in a small town, 1 hr at least to other big
cities. they do have prematch within 2 days after the interview,请待下回分
解。







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