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致那些爱和俺过不去,爱指导俺道德和人品的人士
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致那些爱和俺过不去,爱指导俺道德和人品的人士


发信人: dokknife (力刀_麦地辅导员), 信区: MedicalCareer
标 题: 致那些爱和俺过不去,爱指导俺道德和人品的人士
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Wed Jul 9 16:06:37 2008)



嘿嘿,这年头,是人不是人的都很爱站在道德制高点上轻易开班讲道啊。

来这版一年多,有那1-2个蒙脸在某高校当发考题的、有那才进住院干临床没两年的
小住院爱对俺指手划脚谈人品、道德什么的、还有今天这个不知何方圣人装正经在
这里含沙射影的跟俺过意不去。

常有那小人爱抬出个什么牛人当闷俺黑砖的武器,今天这位“认识几个CAPA牛人”的
小圣人就在潜台词地说俺了,那意思:看那些牛人多忙,从不来这里,就你在这里
瞎混,没本事。。。

嘿嘿,别说你认识这几个CAPA牛人,就是你老爷子是炸药奖得主,又如何?那是他
们牛,你是什么货色?WHO CARES?

你认识的那些牛人再牛,不来论坛,不具体指导,你想考版还不是得不到他牛毛一根?

俺就算少写两篇科研文章,只要俺能把俺那医院的那些牛外科医生们摆平让他们信
服我的病理报告,俺的那把椅子满意,俺能帮这小小论坛里百十个以及更多潜水看
帖的CMG们早日进住院大门,俺就满意了。谁在乎你这不知哪路人物拿什么作为“牛”
的标准看人和如何看俺?

小子们,明了告诉你们吧,老刀从96年亮开身份真身上网就义务给不知多少人做了医
学咨询!而且,跟据当事人的情况写成深入浅出引人读的科普文章近10多万字是有了。
而且,我的咨询和科普是严格遵循美国医学职业要求,深得所有得到我的帮助网友
们、病人们感谢及无数读者认可的!而且,我还承担了国内两个病理网站版务和给
他们指导、合作及指导科研。

你亮开你知道几个CAPA牛人?这也能值得你作为在俺面前装正经讲道的资本?笑话!


就告诉你吧:我现在就是CAPA负责其网络的!当我还是住院医生时,就已经被CAPA破
例请去做为成员了--CAPA的都是发考题的。那些你所谓的牛人,与我都是多年相识
的同学、老友、邻居、同行。我们都相互敬重相处。就是有的已是腾牛了,也没人
象你这黄口小儿对我说这话的!

我不认为我多在CV上增加几篇科研文章对我人生更有意义,我认为我在BBS和其他论
坛包括大陆病理和医学职业网站的作用、帮助艾滋孤儿和国内义工、多拉几个CMG进
入美国临床等社会事务比我做两篇文章意义更大,所以,我花更多时间“不务正业”。

不知你们有何德能、帮过几个中国人、病人、艾滋孤儿、要考版的CMG、帮国内医学职
业人士做过哪些具体事儿?写过几篇像样有意义和作用的文字?你们跟俺讲道?也真有
脸开牙。

我是绝不会也不愿你们这类小人敬佩的--那是俺的耻辱。

别说俺狂妄,就尔等那出的帖子水平,你们就是再轮回一遍,论文论武,跟俺过招
也没戏。




dok







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※ 修改:·dokknife 於 Jul 9 16:57:35 2008 修改本文·[FROM: 140.254.]


发信人: USMLECMG08 (Medstudent), 信区: MedicalCareer
标 题: Re: 致那些爱和俺过不去,爱指导俺道德和人品的人士
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Wed Jul 9 17:30:44 2008)

Lao Dao,

You are our hero, let's ignore those shit people!
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发信人: benpu (麦地大奔), 信区: MedicalCareer
标 题: Re: 致那些爱和俺过不去,爱指导俺道德和人品的人士
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Wed Jul 9 17:46:26 2008)

人情冷暖,扪心自知。

老刀脾气不好,可能不受一些人待见。但是他这些年尽心竭力帮助CMG,受益的人有多
少,大家都看在眼里。

将心比心,你能做到吗?我自问不能。真正坚持下来,比随时占领道德制高点要难得太
多。

我版有老刀,是大家的福气。

希望大家饮水思源、同心协力。

Freedom is not free. 如果你想要自由,先想想有否贡献。



还有事先声明,我们斑竹准备match,没时间磨嘴皮。扰乱秩序者视情节可直接封ID。

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※ 修改:·benpu 於 Jul 9 17:49:10 2008 修改本文·[FROM: 216.170.]


发信人: Oldray (斩鞍), 信区: MedicalCareer
标 题: Re: 致那些爱和俺过不去,爱指导俺道德和人品的人士
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Wed Jul 9 18:10:11 2008)

劝老刀两句。人到底怎么样,大家心里都有数。咱们班上还有谁是实名?还有谁能尽这
么大的力帮素不相识的cmgs? 没人。
不过无论你做了多少,总会有人还是不满意,还是会在那里说三道四。这道理还不简单
,找毛病比办事容易,动嘴皮子比动手简单多了。bbs就是社会,什么样的人都会有,
什么样的声音都存在。还是那句话:岂能尽如人意,但求无愧我心。
和谐社会我是不指望了,大家自求多福吧。
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发信人: shoemaker (麦地鞋匠), 信区: MedicalCareer
标 题: Re: 致那些爱和俺过不去,爱指导俺道德和人品的人士
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Wed Jul 9 18:47:09 2008)

支持老刀!
有些人就是欠敲打!
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发信人: zjrh2006 (snoopy), 信区: MedicalCareer
标 题: Re: 致那些爱和俺过不去,爱指导俺道德和人品的人士
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Wed Jul 9 18:51:09 2008)

老刀, 不要将那些人的话记在心里。
你的无私奉献、侠肝义胆,所有版上的ID都知道。 所有参加“老刀会”的人更是对你
佩服有加。
那些大谈道德、人品的人如果真有本事,就也亮出真实身份,让大家看看他的道德、人
品。躲在暗处不是英雄好汉。没有人会CARE这些人的言论。
你可是我们版上的宝贝,要多保重!



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发信人: fionaww (空山小语), 信区: MedicalCareer
标 题: Re: 致那些爱和俺过不去,爱指导俺道德和人品的人士
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Wed Jul 9 18:54:39 2008)

不知道发生了什么,也没有和老刀打过太多交到,但是顶下面这句话:

你认识的那些牛人再牛,不来论坛,不具体指导,你想考版还不是得不到他牛毛一根?

俗话说,受人滴水之恩,当以涌泉相报。现在社会可能没有这个说法了,但是老刀为大
家做了这么多,以戴德之心去感激他才对。


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发信人: benpu (麦地大奔), 信区: MedicalCareer
标 题: Re: 致那些爱和俺过不去,爱指导俺道德和人品的人士
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Wed Jul 9 19:51:04 2008)

老刀为大家做了这许多,又得到了什么?我有时想想真的感到心酸。你可以质疑他的方
式,但是不能否认他爱护CMG的拳拳之心!

桃李不言,下自成蹊。公道自在人心。

正如前不久仙逝的裘老所说,要行医,先做人。人生譬如朝露,我不求闻达于世,如能
和老刀一样,悬壶济世、慈善救人、提携后辈,吾愿已足。(加上一样的大房子和大院子,呵呵。)


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发信人: hemocell (血细胞), 信区: MedicalCareer
标 题: Re: 致那些爱和俺过不去,爱指导俺道德和人品的人士
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Wed Jul 9 20:02:55 2008)

嘿嘿,我看到那个帖子说牛人忙得没时间上网,差点把一口水喷到键盘上。
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发信人: JDJ (小兔乖乖), 信区: MedicalCareer
标 题: Re: 致那些爱和俺过不去,爱指导俺道德和人品的人士
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Wed Jul 9 20:13:32 2008)

打心底里佩服老刀一家. 老刀能花这么多时间在这儿指导我们这些素不相识的门外汉,
非常感激. 牛人有的是,愿意热心帮助别人的却少之又少.还有刀太,一并感激, 要没有
夫人的支持,老刀也挪不出时间来这里.
保重身体,犯不着为那些小人生气.
今年没去老刀会,非常遗憾,明年再有一定去,可以有机会见识真人,还可以让我老公去帮
忙填那些土.
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发信人: aquafina111 (aquafina111), 信区: MedicalCareer
标 题: Re: 致那些爱和俺过不去,爱指导俺道德和人品的人士
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Wed Jul 9 20:15:21 2008)

这样的人总是有的 让他说去吧 崩理他
老刀还要发帖 真是抬举他了

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发信人: knockingdown (麦地撂E倒), 信区: MedicalCareer
标 题: Re: 致那些爱和俺过不去,爱指导俺道德和人品的人士
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Wed Jul 9 21:25:02 2008)

SPT 老刀!

那位同学可能是位新警察,不太了解老刀的为人。老刀古道热肠,刀子嘴豆腐心,眼里
揉不得沙子,要说就当面锣对面鼓,旁敲侧击的没多大意思。

大家背井离乡到美国,有几个是省油的灯了,初到这个地面混的,还是收敛一些好,至
少摸准了谁是帮人的谁是无聊掐架的再露锋芒,不然免不了被敲打。不过挨了老刀敲打,也算是一种锻炼,省得intern的时候吃鳖。

这两天有些火大,鞋匠温柔了好多,不知道咋修炼的:)

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发信人: futuredoc (futuredoc), 信区: MedicalCareer
标 题: Re: 致那些爱和俺过不去,爱指导俺道德和人品的人士
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Wed Jul 9 21:31:49 2008)

I support Lao Dao.

It's impossible to please everyone. But we can all see that majority of
people here support & admire you. Just ignore those minor noise. If that's
a newcomer, give them some time and they will learn to appreciate you. :)

Good night!
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发信人: weik2008 (weik2008), 信区: MedicalCareer
标 题: Re: 致那些爱和俺过不去,爱指导俺道德和人品的人士
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Wed Jul 9 22:27:00 2008)

老刀给大家树了一个榜样,带动了大家的积极性。不明白自己不愿意帮助人,还要打击
愿意帮助人的老刀。
公道自在人心!,刀大哥,不要为这些无聊的人浪费时间!
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发信人: fatsy (fatsy), 信区: MedicalCareer
标 题: Re: 致那些爱和俺过不去,爱指导俺道德和人品的人士
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Wed Jul 9 22:28:15 2008)

有老刀在,是我们所有CMG的福分。
有点良知的都必怀抱感恩之心,大家更该团结一致,互相帮助,不断壮大我们在北美的
队伍。
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发信人: hispanictale (admin), 信区: MedicalCareer
标 题: Re: 致那些爱和俺过不去,爱指导俺道德和人品的人士
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Wed Jul 9 22:39:53 2008)

我版有老刀,是大家的福气。
老刀还要发帖 真是抬举他了
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发信人: REDpersimmon (麦地柿子), 信区: MedicalCareer
标 题: Re: 致那些爱和俺过不去,爱指导俺道德和人品的人士
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Wed Jul 9 23:05:01 2008)

老刀是我们的榜样。 如果有朝一日我能有幸成为医生, 我也要做老刀一样的人!
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发信人: YHZ (fielding), 信区: MedicalCareer
标 题: Re: 致那些爱和俺过不去,爱指导俺道德和人品的人士
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Wed Jul 9 23:15:02 2008)

Lao Dao has set us an example to help others!

I always ask myself: what is the meanings of my life?

If you are not helpful and useful to others, who cares you? The person who
are admired by many followers is not only thinking of himself but also
others, esp. those inferior to him or poorer or......

Based on Bible, God's great mission is lovinging neighbors as yourself.It IS
not easy to put into action at all. Whoever can do so is performing God's
plan and mission and will be God's favorite.

Lao Dao was and is helping so many CMG who are so eager to realize their
dream of their life. It IS great mission!!

The most meaning life should be useful and helpful to others, which are
being done by many American, actually. What lao dao is doing is exactly like
this( maybe Lao Dao does not agree with me at the point of view of God, but
that's OK)

Comparing to those who only cares his own paper or money or fame, Lao Dao is
indeed great and generous helper in Chinese community,

WE NEED HIM!!

Although I never contacted him in person, from this forum of him I know
whenever I need his help, he is always there waiting for you. He is such a
good and noble man!!


I admire Lao Dao because what he was and is doing indeed benefit others, who
he might not know at all! He is just showing others what we should do in
our life--called modeling based on Behavorial Science.

Thank you Lao Dao and try to forgive those mean guy who may have complete
different life goal(forgiving will make you feel better and praying their
offsprings will not behave like them)! After all, they are having narrow
mind and life purpose, at which we do not agree at all!

God bless Lao Dao!!
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发信人: USMLECMG08 (Medstudent), 信区: MedicalCareer
标 题: Lao Dao and Xiao Baitu
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Mon Jul 14 16:44:14 2008)

I saw that funny posting attacking Lao Dao re-posted by Lao Dao himself, I
say it\'s funny, because it made me laugh. We may not need to discuss his
funny words and points, I just give my little opinion here.

I believe many people here know Xiao Baitu in the Immigration forum in
Wenxuecity.com, she helps people years after years, by answering countless,
various questions, her own immigration story touched lot\'s of people\'s heart
including mine, I benefited from her advice until I got my green card. I no
longer visit that forum anymore, but I will apprecaite her help forever.

Lao Dao plays the same role in the medical forum, I never knew him until I
started to come here. He does exact the same things, simply, helping people
here (I remember he even translated patient\'s history for someone asking for
help here). I can tell Lao Dao is a person with strong emotion, just like
many of us, his emotion inspires us CMG for boards again and again, he has
temper, like many of us, but I never saw he attacks people as the funny
person did, sometimes his words were harsh, but it\'s not for no reason.

We are not naiive people but why we appreciate Lao Dao and defend him, the
answer is too simple: who\'s helping us without asking for return?

Lao Dao and Xiao Baitu, you are role model for human being!
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发信人: houstongirl1 (HG), 信区: MedicalCareer
标 题: Re: Lao Dao and Xiao Baitu
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Mon Jul 14 16:51:50 2008)

They are different personality actually. Xiaobaitu is a woman, I think she
is a typical southern Chinese woman, she is very kind to answer any kind of
questions even some of the naive questions. However, Lao dao would like to
educate people, he never answer questions, he educates you. Of course,
medicalcareer board is for USMLE, most of the people here are younger than
lao dao, and lao dao is experenced, so he has first hand knowledge to teach
students here.


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xcy999: 我看老刀前辈没有丁点牛人天赋
http://www.mitbbs.com/pc/pccon.php?id=1268&nid=41963&s=all
作者:dokknife
发表时间:2008-07-15
更新时间:2008-07-15


发信人: xcy999 (xcy999), 信区: MedicalCareer
标 题: 我看老刀前辈没有丁点牛人天赋。倒有。。。
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Mon Jul 14 21:45:54 2008)

老刀果真没有牛人天赋!

牛人:他冷峻、孤傲,他来无踪去无影,他十步杀一人,千里不留行。牛人负天下人,
绝不让天下人负他。牛人可让你们小辈哀鸣遍野。远的牛人有雄霸天下的始皇,近的牛
人有冲击上海警局的杨佳。外国的有神秘的开膛手杰克,中国的有万丈光芒的红太阳。

我看老刀前辈没有丁点牛人天赋。

首先,他不够冷峻:才十几万人艾滋病人,他就待不住搞什么援助艾滋病孤儿。
其次,他不够孤傲:十年磨剑有所成,不知道把经验藏着噎着,老是指教后生晚辈少走
弯路。
再则,他没有雄霸天下的大志,不知道搞几个老印,老中在实验室里榨干他们,然后成
为一代学霸。只知道指导老中们怎样逃离万恶的耗子房。

所以,我们后生晚学,要一定要“鄙视”他。

因为他逻辑学太差:放着大好时光不去和家人朋友,享受加州的阳光,华盛顿的樱花,
夏威夷的夕阳,佛罗里达的海滩。而在这里为我们的考照事业,浪费他的时间和精力。
他的医学知识太旧:不知道现在国人医生,早就无可救药。还要拉一把我们干什么,我
们早已经满足于在耗子房玩老鼠。

最后,也是最关键的:已经有聪明人指了一条明路给他了,他还不知悔改,还在做着“
傻事”。

师者,传道授业解惑也。

观呼,老刀前辈没有牛人天赋,倒有师者根基。后生晚学斗胆建言。前辈不要试图成为
牛人,还是做一代师者罢了!

怪乎!今天下牛人四起,师道之不传也久矣!

(潜水久了,冒个泡。感谢前辈们的赐教。)
虽然不是感恩节。但是,后生晚学们都来冒个泡,支持一下前辈们教导吧!


还没有考版(现在支持老婆中)。。。
我不喜欢拉帮结派更不是什么刀子会的成员

言由心声,版主发个包子,让晚辈买件衣服吧。。。



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力刀评注:

这是个很有趣的案例,在住院医生面试时时有发生和遇到或类似的场景。这种情况
的应对常常是面试者有意无意地从你反应回答、面部和BODY语言来考察你的反应能
力和个性特点及成熟的素质。表现得好和应答从容合适到位可以让面试者大为开心
或对你留下深刻良好印象,你就得了高分;而相反,应答错误或不当,轻的引起对
方不快或疑虑,严重的,可以说立即被面试者在心里判了死刑--你出局了!

这个CMG提出了个很好得问题,在我所印的下列讨论里,ChiUSMD和Dojo的发言非常
出色,值得大家认真思考和进一步充分讨论,学习提高自己的面试及对这样问题得
脑筋急转弯能力,以及自己的为人处事成熟能力培养。

值得指出的是:那个在麦地喋喋不休到处卖弄她的所谓“英语”并爱好给人改错的
蠢人的发言更充分地反映出其愚蠢和无知,她的所谓良好英语在她的愚蠢脑袋支配
下成了砸她自己脚的石头。此人在麦地已经贩卖了无数的垃圾和错误得东西。我实
在无法忍受这种蠢人无休无止地误导CMG,所以不惜大开杀戒痛砍此ID,得罪了麦地
版规和版主。

说来是坏事,但这也成就了俱乐部的诞生,这里不会再有这种苍蝇和垃圾的泛滥横
行而不受制止。

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标 题: [合集] 面试碰到的尴尬事
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ZXCVBNMWUJI (无极) 于 (Sun Oct 31 22:38:21 2010, 美东) 提到:

面试碰到的尴尬事:

我的第一个面试的一个面试官是一个看上去很和蔼的老先生,进去后他一上来就笑眯眯
的问,你是怎么认识Dr.XXX的?Dr.XXX是我到美国后的第一个老板。我说,您认识他?
他微笑地点头,说Dr.XXX跟他一起在XXX做的resident。我于是精神为之一振,把我当初
出国如何联系Dr.XXX到他那儿做POSTDOC给绘声绘色了一遍,末了还加了一句类似“He
is the nicest person I've ever met.”之类的评论。面试官耐心听我说完,然后仍
然笑眯眯地说:“Well, I was not getting along with him very well at that
time.”然后就是blah blah blah blah.我当场差点晕倒。

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DrNewbie (NN) 于 (Sun Oct 31 23:33:50 2010, 美东) 提到:

You could have said back, Ohh, he must have changed quite a bit.
Or he only gets along well with suck-ups. I jam him up real good.

【 在 ZXCVBNMWUJI (无极) 的大作中提到: 】

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fionaww (加州无鱼) 于 (Mon Nov 1 00:00:52 2010, 美东) 提到:

第一句还好,第二句就不行啦。万一人家说,感情你是suck-up阿,不然人家怎么看上
你,把你从国内招来呢?不更晕倒了?


【 在 DrNewbie (NN) 的大作中提到: 】
: You could have said, Ohh, he must have changed quite a bit.
: Or he only gets along well with suck-ups.

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DrNewbie (NN) 于 (Mon Nov 1 00:03:49 2010, 美东) 提到:

hehehehe.

Third one: Am I such a charming person that I get along so well with him? Or Am I personable that we get along so well.

Fourth one: You should be happy with my people skills now right? Since I can get along with this snob.

If you love my answers and you get my sick humor, please join my club:

Pre_resident_english_corner.

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DrNewbie (NN) 于 (Mon Nov 1 01:25:54 2010, 美东) 提到:

The rest are for professionals only. No imitation by amateurs.
The 1st is witty. The 2nd is humor.


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dojo (麦地里的豆角) 于 (Mon Nov 1 20:34:37 2010, 美东) 提到:

楼上大哥,你是来搞笑的还是来做广告的?你的这些自以为幽默的答案不是too judgemental ("he must"...lol) 就是自我吹捧。

这个情况下,面试官故意不在开始的时候就说合不来,而是在等楼主说了一大堆以后才
说,其实就是想看楼主遇到尴尬时的反应。象楼上大哥这种回答,把球踢回去,反让面
试官尴尬,我以为不好。我的建议是回答"oh, sorry to hear about that" 就行了,
最多再加一句"I don't know why he treats you and me differently",把这话题带
过就得了。Dr.XXX或者任何一个普通人都不可能跟所有人都合得来,这本是正常现象,
何须画蛇添足

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ChiUSMD (治病救热) 于 (Mon Nov 1 20:56:20 2010, 美东) 提到:

I agree. I assume you are a cute girl, and probably got a high remark from
him, otherwise he won't say this political incorrect thing. Go back ask your
boss whatever he said is true or not, then Send him a nice followup email
and make up something 拍一下马屁.

if your boss can send him a short email, 100% you are in or prematched.
My personal experience you will be ranked very high by that program. 美国人的尊师是骨子里的

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sfkitty (meow) 于 (Mon Nov 1 21:12:16 2010, 美东) 提到:

这真的是个需要脑筋急转弯的问题,我觉得理想的答案是结合NN和豆角的智慧。“sorry to hear that" ,加上适当的表情(让面试官觉得你的确 feel sorry about it, 而不是随口说说),再加上 “well, I guess he must have changed a lot“, 然后以一个beautiful smile to wrap it up。



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dojo (麦地里的豆角) 于 (Mon Nov 1 21:28:20 2010, 美东) 提到:

对的,表情要搭上。但这个must就免了,我对NN第一个答案不满意的就是这个must,显
得好象你多知道Dr.XXX的过去似的。你用"I guess"就对了。

说到底,我觉得这个回马枪问题固然尴尬,但老实应对,或者就是尴尬在那儿傻笑没有
答案,也比表现出自大和judgmental要好,这些性格可是要命的。尤其在正式面试问答
的时候,玩幽默是玩火。

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kaye ([email protected][email protected]~埋底海豚~热爱游泳) 于 (Mon Nov 1 23:09:01 2010, 美东) 提到:


dojo(豆角)和chiusmd的分析都很有道理,谢谢!
个人认为是这个问题的正解吧。

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ChiUSMD (治病救热) 于 (Mon Nov 1 23:45:44 2010, 美东) 提到:

The old people always have some 童心,he tried to say "got you", just be his
way and do something satisfy his joke. Now matter how smart you are, just
pretend "he got you".

"oops" then smile, or slightly 夸张一下,any other words might turn the
table completely opposite.
American would anwer: "you are good" or "you got me".

在中国,就自罚杯酒。
中美情况差不多,就是不能充大拿。
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Does it matter whether he has changed or not? NO! The best way is to switch gears right away with a neutral, courteous comment. 'Sorry to hear that' is NOT nice at all. Either is 'u got me'. You really have no idea what happened between these two. Could be something nasty. Or his reply could be just a joke. Either way, it is best not to get involved. Along this line, there is no reason to be 'SINCERELY' sorry for it. The 'sorry' line can be interpreted in a bad way: 'You are sorry because I am an ass?'. Better say something neutral without offending either side. 'You got it' works only when he was really joking. What if he was serious? It would be even more awkward.

There isnt any good answer for this awkward situation. Only an immature person would give you a hard time like this. If a person reply in a courteous way, he wins votes. My answer shows integrity, honor and wit. It wins respects from others. The best dealing with this situation is a polite short answer and a quick switch to other topics.

The beauty of my reply is that it does NOT offend either party. Of course, the tone and your body language determines how the msg is delivered and how it will be received. It is saying I dont know his past. All I know he is the nicest person. If what you said about him is true that he was hard to get along, he is very nice now.

'"I don't know why he treats you and me differently" could be taken as very offensive. Right? 'It is because I am an ass?'


2-4 are for laughs only. Hope everyone here knows when to chuckle on a joke. For the people who cant figure out when a joke is told. Here are some clues: suck-ups, jam-up, snob.

All you can brag is how other people drooling over your job. How pathetic.

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4 [DrNewbie 于 2010-11-02 13:44:06 提到]
Ur foul mouth cost your job already. You just never learn. You will lose
your job again if you dont know when to hold back your filthy mouth.


You can only take pleasure in getting even by your bragging how the wife of
the boss who fired you left him. You are just plain sick.


BECAUSE YOU HAVE WRITTEN ABOUT THESE FACTS ON PUBLIC WEB SITES, YOU HAVE FORFEITED YOUR PRIVACY.

You are nobody compared with your peers.

Even a monkey can get a score of 50 by throwing darts on a board. So you
think you are smart with scores of 70s? You just got lucky. Period.
Nothing to be proud of.

Talk to anyone who got scores of 70s and ask them whether you just got lucky
or it just doesnt matter. Dont use one case to counter me. Lets talk
about trend or stats.

Your numerous scum filled posts have been deleted by BanZhu. You were so
out of line that even BanZhu was ashamed of you and deleted your mean post
about your ex-boss right after you posted it.

There are many precedents of accomplished people turning into monsters in
their senior years When you were biting every bystander on the street, I
suddenly realized its not me, it is you.

Yes, there are plenty of very smart yet generous, decent people here.

They shoot for much higher goal than you. With your lousy 70s score, no
wonder the best advice you gave to them is to take the less satisfying
prematch. Because you could only get lucky once.

So stop misleading people by using you as an example.

To exclude me from getting info on the medi board, you tried to drag
everyone into ur private club. It just shows how childish you are. Only a
sick person would devise such an evil plan. Even your buddies think you
have gone too far and opened ur private club for public viewing.

You are just a plain sick old man.

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4 [snowfox01 于 2010-11-02 17:25:32 提到] [FROM: 134.74.]
Dr.Newbie:Please be nice to this old man。
难道你没看见你把他生命中唯一的支柱----收集各种贴子,然后大言不惭的copy&post 到自己的网页。给打碎了。同时,他在麦地的“一手遮天” 用那二十年前的狗屁经验来误导新人,也让你给揭穿了。我能理解他的恼羞成怒。他也没几天了,就让他乐呵乐呵吧。

他的英语很好。中国人特别是我们河南人一听就懂。 像“welcome u join my club" 和his is a very unique 8-gua I enjoy to read”还有“I'm sure there you will get more benefits=我坚信在这里你将得到更多的好处。”多么容易的“直”译呀
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5 [DrNewbie 于 2010-11-02 23:00:52 提到]

His best English is:

Bless the God. No wonder people call him the GodFather.
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This is taken from USMedEdu's blog, NOT from his private club. After USMedEdu had made the nasty comments, people consulted a few people and below are some answers confirming that DrNewbie's response is good. Others are NOT appropriate.

发信人: daisyy (Daisy), 信区: Pre_Resident_Club
标 题: Re: 无极: 住院医生面试碰到的尴尬事( 力刀评注推荐及麦地网友
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Fri Nov 5 11:38:39 2010, 美东)

我在英语论坛问了一下这个问题。 这是我得到的回复。看来说‘Oops, you got me.' ‘I'm
sorry to hear that.'都不是很好。

Dojo 曾经建议过加上 I guess 到 he must have changed 可能是比较好的。

BTW, I don't want to see my threads on this one to be appeared in the
MedicalCareer Board. Thanks.

Well, this is a bit tricky because it's not just a language question,
you're also asking how the situation should be interpreted (which is
difficult to do if you weren't present) and how to respond in a
difficult situation (which can be awkward even in your native language).

Option 1) I would think the old gentleman rather strange if this was
what he was doing, but who knows? In any case, I wouldn't reply "oops,
you got me", as you probably don't really want to say to him "I think
you just tried to trap me in an awkward situation", even if that was in
fact what he was indeed trying to do. It also may sound as though you
were just pretending to like the advisor, whereas in fact you are now
acknowledging that he is unlikeable.

Option 2) Possible, but it sounds a bit strange. You're more likely to
say "I'm sorry to hear that" if you hear that someone has died, or some
other unfortunate event has occurred.

Option 3) ‘I guess he must have changed.' --Probably the best of your
suggestions, in my opinion - you are sticking by your original opinion
of the advisor, whilst acknowledging that the old man might have had a
different experience. It is a good, diplomatic response.




发信人: dojo (麦地里的豆角), 信区: Pre_Resident_Club
标 题: Re: 无极: 住院医生面试碰到的尴尬事( 力刀评注推荐及麦地网友讨论
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Fri Nov 5 13:11:12 2010, 美东)

这样,我早上发信给我的consultant问了。她以前是某著名医学院招生委员会成员,也
曾面人无数,现在提供收费咨询服务。她的答案应该算权威了。的确 sorry to hear
that 虽然不只是用在死了人的时候,但有点负面,她的这句话应该是最合适的。

> I have another random question. During interviews, sometimes the
> >interviewer came up with a follow-up question that put me in an awkward
> >position, and I'm not exactly sure what's the best way to answer. For
> >example, one interviewer would ask with a smile "How did you meet Dr. X
> >(one of my advisers)? I knew him because we cooperated many years ago."
> >I'm of course happy that there is a connection, so I would describe my
> >encounter with Dr. X in great detail, and say something like Dr. X is
> >the nicest person I've ever met. But then the interviewer would
> >follow-up, still with a smile, and say "actually, I was not getting
> >along with him very well at that time." What shall I say in this awkward
> >situation? Shall I try to sympathize with him and say "sorry to hear
> >that, I don't why he treated you and me differently"? Or shall I
> >reaffirm my position and say "he must have changed a lot"? Or shall I
> >just downplay and say "you got me"?

I think the best way to deal with it is to just say something like "I'm
sorry you had that experience." Nothing more is indicated. But, it's
very odd for an interviewer to put you on the spot like that. Shows poor
interviewing skills on his/her part.

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If you ask you your consultant that you want to reaffirm your position, of course it is not very appropriate. But if you say it in a way that it serves only as a topic switching comment and in a non-confrontational fashion, it is actually a better choice. The 'changed' line is not intended to argue about his boss' character. It is not relevant to his IV, and not worth debating about.

See below from someone else:
"Option 3)
‘I guess he must have changed.' --Probably the best of your
suggestions, in my opinion - you are sticking by your original opinion
of the advisor, whilst acknowledging that the old man might have had a
different experience. It is a good, diplomatic response.".
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发信人: fionaww (加州无鱼), 信区: Pre_Resident_Club
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发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Fri Nov 5 23:46:18 2010, 美东)

hehe, actually I just talked with my attendings today too and got the same comment.

Just simply say:" I am sorry to hear that. I didn't know you had that
experience with him." Because the interviewee already pushed himself to the
corner, don't say more except simply acknowledging the fact.

2 [DrNewbie 于 2010-11-03 23:04:34 提到][删除][修改] [FROM: 98.119.]
REPLY TO THE ATTACHED COMMENT.

"Must" is perfect here. "May" is NOT.

Would anyone use suck-ups, jam-up in a formal interview as in Joke #2? Would this be a clue that it is a joke? Would anyone use snob in Joke #4? A good joke teller does not start with Hey, I am telling you a joke?

The 'Sorry' line could be interpreted in the wrong way. It is Not like you say sorry when some1 is sick.

Your 'I dont know why he treats us differently' is clearly very OFFENSIVE. It insinuated that the interviewer is an ass cause the Boss is the nicest person in the whole world, right? It is so pathetic that your answer is so appreciated by the MadDoc and put on the front page for people to spit at. Have u noticed that Not a single person responded to the MadDoc's comment? Why? So many people hate me to their guts. Why nobody jumped out and LOLed like you? Simple! Cause your answer is offensive.

Read my reply please before you comment. MadDoc initially made the club private. Only under the protests from some righteous people who think he has gone too far, he made it public a few days later.

Because I use 'real world' examples for English writing practice, a private English club is best suited for this purpose. If you didnt know, a couple of thugs on medi routinely harassed me for correcting their English. Btw, your English is superb. Thats why I thought you would want to help us. But you refused. I am truly sorry for this.

Some people get dark humors. Some dont. It is just a matter of personal tastes. Yes, many did think it was funny.

Clearly, you have got the bad influence from MadDoc. You had a very lousy attitude with your LOLs towards my posts. You are smart enough to have got into a medical school. But your lack of manners will hurt your personal and professional life. Doc is a prime example. Hope you dont follow his path.
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2 [dojo 于 2010-11-03 22:31:32 提到][删除] [FROM: 71.163.]
Okay, now you say #2-4 are for laughs only, why didn't you say that in your originial post? You could see that fionaww challenged your #2 answer, but you did not tell her you were kidding. Instead you gave two more answers "for laughs", but did any one actually laugh in that thread, before I responded? Your humor is really sick.

I made it clear that your #1 answer is fine except that you shall not say "must". "Maybe he has changed a lot" is an okay answer, but how could you use "must"?

Your comment on my "sorry to hear that" shows that you don't even understand what "sorry" means here. It is a very common, sympathetic response to any kind of misfortune. If you ever tried to describe something unfortunate in your life to an American, you should have heard this sentence before. The sympathetic American saying this would never ever think that he is sorry because you are an ass. Your thinking is ridiculous.

Finally, your conspiracy theory "To exclude me ... you tried to drag everyone into ur private club" really makes me sick, even though I was never a fan of Lao Dao. Lao Dao's club is PUBLIC, everyone in the world can read it, and I joined it on my own without Lao Dao's any email. YOUR club is PRIVATE, and YOU sent me email twice to try to drag me into ur club.

3 [dojo 于 2010-11-03 22:31:32 提到][删除] [FROM: 71.163.]
Okay, now you say #2-4 are for laughs only, why didn't you say that in your originial post? You could see that fionaww challenged your #2 answer, but you did not tell her you were kidding. Instead you gave two more answers "for laughs", but did any one actually laugh in that thread, before I responded? Your humor is really sick.

I made it clear that your #1 answer is fine except that you shall not say "must". "Maybe he has changed a lot" is an okay answer, but how could you use "must"?

Your comment on my "sorry to hear that" shows that you don't even understand what "sorry" means here. It is a very common, sympathetic response to any kind of misfortune. If you ever tried to describe something unfortunate in your life to an American, you should have heard this sentence before. The sympathetic American saying this would never ever think that he is sorry because you are an ass. Your thinking is ridiculous.

Finally, your conspiracy theory "To exclude me ... you tried to drag everyone into ur private club" really makes me sick, even though I was never a fan of Lao Dao. Lao Dao's club is PUBLIC, everyone in the world can read it, and I joined it on my own without Lao Dao's any email. YOUR club is PRIVATE, and YOU sent me email twice to try to drag me into ur club.
 
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