发信人: abaeking (The Gods Must Be Crazy), 信区: MedicalCareer
标 题: my prematch experience: (3) IV lists and others
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Tue Mar 24 01:14:10 2009)
*Programs I applied to:
- Programs applied to: for 2009, 100 IM programs and 60 Ob/Gyn programs; for
2008, 60 Path, 15 IM and 15 Emergency Medicine.
2 cents – apply as early as possible and as many as possible. Do some study
on each program and save yourself some bucks by avoiding no-chance programs
– how to determine if you got chance or not? Of course the first hand info
from any friend in the program would be the best but it is very limited
resource. Other than that, I found the most reliable way is to look at their
previous and current residents pages online – many programs have them –
to figure out if they have IMG or CMG etc. Thank god Ob/Gyn has a website
telling us which of the programs across the country took IMG (http://www.apgo.org/residencies/by-location.cfm), which had saved me lots of time. One exception was that you have very strong connection with the program, say, the chairman of IM dept is willing to call the program up for you, etc. other than that, applying to a AMG dominated program has very low chance. That would be my first priority no matter how much scores I got and how many publications I had. Importance: the only last one thing leading you to the residency.
* IV lists 2008:
*IV lists 2009:
U. South Dakota, SD (had phone interview; on site cancelled);
Jersey shore, NJ;
Long island jewish, NY;
overlook hospital, NJ;
Mt Sinai (Elmhurst), NY;
NYMC Richmond, NY (cancelled);
Allegheny, PA (cancelled);
Aurora, MN (cancelled);
Jacobi/AECOM, NY (cancelled).
Flushing hospital, NY;
Nassau Univ, NY;
St. Vincent Hospital, NY;
Long island Jewish, NY;
Jamaica hospital, NY;
St Barnabas, NJ
*About on site interviews:
Honestly, I am not a big fan of an excellent interview can change PD’s mind
kind of thing unless you feel yourself are very knowledgeable and
experienced. A good interview won’t necessarily send you into the program
but def a bad interview can ruin your chance. So prepare well – study the
typical interview questions which are all over the place, organize your
thinking, talk clearly and fluently, always make eye contact and wrap
yourself in a good suit. People always saying to be yourself during
interview but this is def not a place to be yourself – you want good things
to be yourself and bad things to be covered in a good manner. I think
everyone will have a successful interview if you don’t play weird and show
the program that you are a pleasant individual to talk with and work with.
That would be enough. Most importantly, I found my observership experience
helped me a lot on my interviews – it is just like talking football game
with Americans – you gotta know the game before you can talk with people.
Importance: +++ if you do it OK; +++++ if you do it badly.
*Some comments about the specialties I applied to:
Most importantly, make sure which one is your interest. This sounds like a
stupid question but it was a question for me and I am sure it is the same
for those without too much clinical experience in our home country… here
are just some personal feelings
- Path: one of the CMG’s favorites but hard to get in nowadays. CMG with
research background can still get interviews from good even top programs.
This is hardly possible for programs of other specialties. Def worth to try
if you don’t hate it. Path look for people dedicated to path in the past,
especially those who worked on path for many years (lab research or clinical
practice). Passing step 3 is a plus.
- EM: super competitive. 99 % positions filled with AMG. And the rest 1%
filled with ones with strong support from inside. Forget it and save some
- Ob/Gyn: relatively easy to get interviews (no or few cutoff of scores,
graduation years or clinical experience required) but hard to match (5% or
even lower compared to 10% of IM, statistically). Market for Ob/Gyn is not
so good these years but still a surgery specialty. Positions of good
programs filled with AMGs. Prematch offers not very common. I got one but
finally I turned it down. Good news for guys, I mean literally guys (male)
– male applicants will be given special consideration to offer interviews
– Ob/Gyn programs tried to balance the M: F ratio (no offense, ladies). I
don’t believe it when I was told so by one of the Ob attendings. But now I
think it is true. One thing need to consider though, is to live within a
women world – your pt, your colleague…good or bad?
IM: very difficult to get in as IMG particularly for Univ programs. Chances
are there with community hospitals. But fresh graduates with 99/99 from
India, east Europe, to name a few, are far more than us in numbers and more
competitive than us…not even talking about USIMG. Generally I think
situation is awkward for most CMG – for univ programs who may give some
consideration on research, they hardly take IMG. For community programs who
take IMG, they don’t give a **** about research (even most programs claimed
they love research). That being said, many CMG managed to get into IM
Again the bottom line for application is to apply as many as possible.
Getting interview invitations is a semi-random thing – I doubt the programs
will spend more than 5 min to look at the individual application files –
so statistics has a power here.
Want to take this chance to thank those who posted here and especially to
some old IDs such as LifeinNY, zbbh, gira, cyclincyclin, ericusa, scrub2008
and stomach for their help in the past. Particularly, I do appreciate dok’s
generous input to this board. I don’t have a chance to personally contact
with dok but after my struggling last year, I can tell his input is without
reservation and do come from his experiences. Very valuable and people
should seriously consider what he had said before. They may not apply to
those talented, experienced or super lucky ones but do benefit common
population like me with relatively weak clinical experience. One thing I
mostly agree with him was that as CMG we need to be realistic. From my own
experience I have to say it is very difficult to be realistic during the
application process and that was my lesson last year. Partially b/c the
programs may give misleading info about your application intentionally or
unintentionally for their own benefit – that is the reason why don’t trust
words like rank you high unless you got the contract. In addition, CMG who
might graduate from top schools with advanced degrees and many publications
generally have high expectation about goals. But Medicine is a tough world.
I realized that when I first stepped into hospitals, I found myself only
marginally better than MSIII students here not even count the language
barriers. There is a long way for me to go…thinking about this, I am very
satisfied about the result of getting a prematch from a community program
with good reputation and most in house fellowships. I did have a reasonable
chance to match to a univ program but I don’t regret to back off as I don’
t think that is my place and in a community program I probably can get
better support as an IMG.
Finally wish all the matched ones including myself perform well as residents
and that is the best we can do for the coming people. Please feel free to
send me messages and I will be glad to answer.
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