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推荐几个医学史方面链接,非专业小百科

http://www.dxy.cn/bbs/post/view?bid=116&id=11096058&sty=1&tpg=1&age=0

医学史博客:http://blog.sina.com.cn/medhistory

DNA50年:http://www.kepu.gov.cn/kjsh/smkx/default.htm

诺贝尔的传奇人生:http://www.winetour.cn/html/0712/2007121640000437.html

中国医学史年表和世界医学史年表:http://bbs.pep.com.cn/thread-64789-1-20.html

解剖学发展简史:http://blog.emuch.net/56904/viewspace-8837

显微镜的发明史:http://jiangeu.bokee.com/5702693.html

细胞生物学简史:http://sky.scnu.edu.cn/life/class/cellbiologylab/baseckn/bthe/bthe01.asp

免疫学的发展简史:http://121.18.89.179:6060/ResChu_1/Res_1/1206500120096.doc

中华麻醉在线:http://www.csaol.cn/index.php

现代医学麻醉医疗发展简史历史上的麻醉方法戴维发明笑气麻醉和乙醚麻醉的出现

医学影像设备发展简史

分子生物学发展简史

细胞生物学的发展

发明故事:显微镜的发明

发明故事:血压计的发明

抗生素的发现是世纪人类历史上最重大的成就之一

医学遗传学基础

关于那个著名的试验:维生素C的发展历史

分子病词条解释

化学药物的开端

影响我们生活的诺贝尔奖

百家讲坛:现代医学回顾与展望


Medical Milestones - The Past 500 Years

本文原文地址:http://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=12579


Medical Milestones - The Past 500 Years

The New England Journal of Medicine (NEJM) commented on the end of the millennium by choosing the most important medical developments of the past thousand years. Their choices were restricted to developments that "changed the face of clinical medicine, not preventive medicine or public health or health care delivery or medical ethics." They arbitrarily chose 11 and presented them "not in order of importance, but in rough chronologic order according to the first noteworthy step taken in a given area."

There were few advances in clinical medicine until the Renaissance. "There are many reasons little progress was made" until then "but one of them was surely that the only fit pursuit for scholars in those centuries was considered to be knowledge of God, not of man. Only with the flowering of humanism that characterized the Renaissance did that change…." So, the major developments of the past millennium are really those of the past 500 years. Here are the major developments as presented by NEJM in outline form.

1. Elucidation of Human Anatomy and Physiology

First noteworthy step in contemporary anatomy: 16th century.

Founding figure: Andreas Vesalius in 1543 published his great anatomical treatise. The illustrations (by an unknown artist) set a new standard for the understanding of human anatomy.

First noteworthy step in physiology: 17th century.

Founding figure: William Harvey established that the blood circulates within a closed system with the heart serving as a pump; the pulse is due to the filling of arteries with blood after the heart contracts; the right ventricle of the heart pumps blood to the lungs; and the left ventricle pumps blood to the rest of the body.

Other major figures: Stephen Hales (first measured blood pressure [in a horse]); Werner Forssmann, Andre Cournand, and Dickinson Richards (the clinical use of heart catheterization); and Robert Gross, Elliott Cutler, Charles Hufnagel, and Alfred Blalock (open-heart surgery).

2. Discovery of Cells and Their Substructures


First noteworthy step in cell biology: 17th century.

Founding figure: Antony van Leeuwenhoek, with an object held close to the lens he had made (and with his nearsightedness) was first able to see minute "animalcules" (probably bacteria and protozoa) and discover that tissues had complex inner structures.

Other major figures: Robert Hooke (described plant cells); Matthias Schleiden and Theodor Schwann (described animal cells); and Rudolf Virchow, Ludwig Aschoff, and Carl Rokitansky (their work in cell biology led to insights into disease processes).

First noteworthy step in subcellular biology: 20th century.

Founding figure: Ernst Ruska made the first electron microscope in the early 1930s. With this primitive apparatus and, later, more sophisticated machines, the rich subcellular structure of the cell became visible.

Another founding figure: George Palade in the 1950s developed ways of isolating subcellular elements such as mitochondria. "The elegant choreography of the various elements in particular cell types could finally be appreciated."

3. Elucidation of the Chemistry of Life


First noteworthy step in biochemistry: 17th century.

Founding figures: Thomas Willis set forth the idea in 1659 that "every Disease acts its tragedies by the strength of some Ferment." This notion was amplified by scientists such as Antoine Lavoisier, Jons Jakob Berzelius, and Louis Pasteur.

Other major figures: Amadeo Avogadro (whose law permitted the calculation of atomic weights, the determination of molecular structure and an understanding of the enzyme reactions); Leonor Michaelis and Maud Menten (who found how to express enzyme reactions in mathematical terms); Otto Warburg (who deduced pathways of metabolism); and Hans Krebs (who discovered the pathway called the citric acid cycle).

Other major discoveries: Hormones and neurotransmitters; the ways cells communicate with each other (which has led to an understanding of diseases such as diabetes mellitus); the relation of sodium to edema and to dehydration; and the importance of potassium in the fluid loss from diarrhea.

4. Application of Statistics to Medicine


First noteworthy step in modern statistics: Turn of the 17th century.

Founding figures: Pierre de Fermat and Blaise Pascal developed probability theory to analyze games of chance. Their ideas of relative frequency were first applied to mortality from the plague in 17th-century London.

Famous clinical trial: James Lind treated 12 ship passengers who had scurvy with either an elixir containing citrus juice or a remedy recommended by the ship's surgeon. The success of the citrus-containing treatment led the British Admiralty to mandate the provision of lime juice to all sailors (who became limeys), thereby eliminating scurvy from the Royal Navy.

Other major figures in statistics: John Graunt (introduced the concept of inference from a sample to an underlying population and described life expectancy); Karl Friedrich Gauss (developed modern statistical reasoning); the 18th-century English theologian Thomas Bayes (showed how probability can be used in inductive reasoning); Sir Ronald Fisher (the principle of randomization as a method for avoiding bias in studies); and Jerzy Neyman (the theories of estimation and testing).

First noteworthy step in modern epidemiology: 19th century.

Founding figure: John Snow demonstrated the transmission of cholera from contaminated water by analyzing disease rates among people served by the Broad Street Pump in London. He stopped the spread of the disease in 1854 by removing the pump handle from the polluted well.

Another major figure: Richard Doll (who did a pioneering study of smoking [among British physicians!]).

5. Development of Anesthesia


First noteworthy step in modern anesthesia: 19th century.

Founding figure: In 1799 Humphry Davy recognized the analgesic (pain-relieving) properties of nitrous oxide when he inhaled it while he had a toothache. He coined the term "laughing gas."

Other major figures: The dentist Horace Wells (who in 1844 first used nitrous oxide to anesthetize patients); his former partner, William Morton (who demonstrated ether anesthesia in 1846 at the Massachusetts General Hospital); James Young Simpson (who in 1847 administered chloroform to a woman in childbirth): and Harold Griffith (who introduced the routine use of muscle relaxants during surgery in 1942).

6. Discovery of the Relation of Microbes to Disease


First noteworthy step in discovering the relation of microbes to disease: 19th century.

Founding figure: Louis Pasteur established bacteriology as a science. He proved that "all living things, microbes included, come from other living things"; he used heat treatment (pasteurization) to destroy microbes, showed that vaccination of sheep with weakened anthrax bacteria protects them against the disease, and discovered that the agent of rabies, a virus, could be weakened; his immunization of a young boy bitten by a rabid dog prevented what had been a fatal outcome.

Other major figures: Robert Koch (first person to isolate bacteria in pure culture; discovered the agents of cholera and the cause of tuberculosis, and used his own criteria [Koch's postulates] to distinguish a bacterial culprit causing a disease from an innocent microbe); and Joseph Lister (who used carbolic acid spray to kill bacteria, insisted that antiseptics be used on hands, instruments, and dressings and made it safe to do major surgery).

7. Elucidation of Inheritance and Genetics


First noteworthy step in genetics: 19th century.

Founding figure: Gregor Mendel did experiments and reported his results on the segregation of traits in peas in 1865. (Mendel's work was ignored until 1902, when William Bateson and others rediscovered it.)

Other major figures: Archibald Garrod (who showed that inborn errors of metabolism are inherited); Thomas Hunt Morgan (who drew maps of genes along chromosomes); George Beadle, Edward Tatum, and Boris Ephrussi (who showed that genes specify enzymes); Thomas Avery, Colin MacLeod, and Maclyn McCarty (who found that DNA is the genetic material); Erwin Chargaff (who described the bases of DNA and the rules of base pairing); Rosalind Franklin (whose x-ray diffraction pictures of DNA permitted the discovery of the double helix); James Watson, Francis Crick, and Maurice Wilkins (the double helix); Jacques Monod and Francois Jacob (DNA to protein via messenger RNA); Frederick Sanger and Walter Gilbert (who created methods for decoding the sequence of bases in DNA); and David Baltimore and Harold Temin (who discovered reverse transcriptase, which converts RNA into DNA).

Famous train ride: On a train from Denver to Chicago in 1949, William Castle told Linus Pauling about sickle cell anemia. Pauling and coworkers then demonstrated the molecular consequence of a mutation (sickle hemoglobin) that causes a genetic disorder (sickle cell anemia) and termed it "a molecular disease." (The sickle mutation was later shown by Vernon Ingram to be due to a single amino acid substitution in the molecule).

8. Knowledge of the Immune System


First noteworthy step in immunology: 19th century.

Founding figures: Emil Behring and Kitasato Shibasaburo in 1890 developed a diphtheria antitoxin and, in the process, discovered antibodies. Almost simultaneously, Elie Metchnikoff identified cells called phagocytes that can engulf foreign particles and put forth the cellular theory of immunity.

Other major figures: John Enders (measles vaccine) ; Thomas Weller, Frederick Robbins and Enders (the polio vaccine); Albert Sabin (the live weakened polio virus); Jonas Salk (the killed-virus vaccine); and Michael Heidelberger (laid the foundation for the pneumococcal vaccines).

The first vaccine produced by DNA technology (for hepatitis B) was approved by the Food and Drug Administration in 1986. The new millennium "promises a potentially revolutionary form of vaccination based on sequences of DNA that encode microbial antigens."

9. Development of Body Imaging


First noteworthy step in body imaging: Turn of the 20th century.

Founding figure: Wilhelm Konrad Roentgen discovered x-rays in 1895, a discovery for which he received the first Nobel prize for physics in 1901.

First stage: Imaging science has evolved in three stages. In the first stage, the aim was to develop imaging techniques to define the anatomic features and functions of the internal organs. Additional "rays" for this purpose were discovered, including ultrasound and radioactive tracers, and contrast agents were developed to reveal previously indiscernible structures.

Second stage: The interior of the heart and blood vessels were delineated by angiography. Other new tools included computed tomography (CT or CAT scan) and magnetic resonance imaging (MRI), which permitted resolution of very small structures throughout the body.

Third stage: Imaging methods are now being used to guide therapy directly -- from long-term guidance of cancer therapy to immediate, on-line guidance of minimally invasive surgery.

10. Discovery of Antimicrobial Agents


First noteworthy step in the discovery of antimicrobial agents: Turn of the 20th century.

Founding figure: Paul Ehrlich discovered salvarsan (also known as "606," the 606th compound he had tried) as a treatment for syphilis and showed that certain dyes also had antimicrobial activity.

Other major figures: Gerhard Domagk (who found that the red dye Prontosil cured strep infections, which led to the development of the sulfa drugs); Alexander Fleming (who stumbled onto the inhibition of Staph bacteria by a mold, Penicillium) ; Howard Florey and Ernst Chain (who purified penicillin for clinical use); Rene Dubos (who found an antibiotic in an organism in the soil); and Selman Waksman (who searched systematically among soil organisms for antibiotics and there discovered the second clinically important antibiotic, streptomycin).

11. Development of Molecular Pharmacotherapy


First noteworthy step in molecular pharmacotherapy: Turn of the 20th century.

Founding figure: In the course of his experiments on the therapeutic potential of organic dyes, Paul Ehrlich coined the word "chemotherapy" and extended the concept of the "magic bullet" from infectious diseases to cancer.

Other major figures Thomas Beatson (who used ovariectomy [removal of the ovaries] for breast cancer); Charles Huggins (showed value of orchiectomy [removal of the testes] for prostate cancer). Alfred Gilman and Frederick Philips (found that nitrogen mustard -- the mustard gas of World War I - helped treat lymphomas); Sidney Farber (introduced methotrexate for treating childhood leukemia); Barnett Rosenberg (discovered the anticancer drug cis- platinum); and James Black (whose work led to the development of beta- blockers).

The ongoing revolution in molecular biology permits the recognition of a great number of new potential drug targets, while pharmacogenetics is beginning to explain the genetic variability among people in their responses to drugs.


Conclusions

The effective treatment and prevention of disease has "extended life expectancy and reduced disability beyond the most optimistic hopes of physicians even a few decades ago -- and far beyond the dreams of their predecessors a thousand years ago. We are no more able than they were to predict what this new millennium will bring."

SourceThe Editors. Looking back on the millennium in medicine. New Engl J Med 342: 42-49, 2000.

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1   [DrNewbie 于 2010-11-07 01:31:18 提到] [FROM: 98.]


力刀评注:

这是个很有趣的案例,在住院医生面试时时有发生和遇到或类似的场景。这种情况
的应对常常是面试者有意无意地从你反应回答、面部和BODY语言来考察你的反应能
力和个性特点及成熟的素质。表现得好和应答从容合适到位可以让面试者大为开心
或对你留下深刻良好印象,你就得了高分;而相反,应答错误或不当,轻的引起对
方不快或疑虑,严重的,可以说立即被面试者在心里判了死刑--你出局了!

这个CMG提出了个很好得问题,在我所印的下列讨论里,ChiUSMD和Dojo的发言非常
出色,值得大家认真思考和进一步充分讨论,学习提高自己的面试及对这样问题得
脑筋急转弯能力,以及自己的为人处事成熟能力培养。

值得指出的是:那个在麦地喋喋不休到处卖弄她的所谓“英语”并爱好给人改错的
蠢人的发言更充分地反映出其愚蠢和无知,她的所谓良好英语在她的愚蠢脑袋支配
下成了砸她自己脚的石头。此人在麦地已经贩卖了无数的垃圾和错误得东西。我实
在无法忍受这种蠢人无休无止地误导CMG,所以不惜大开杀戒痛砍此ID,得罪了麦地
版规和版主。

说来是坏事,但这也成就了俱乐部的诞生,这里不会再有这种苍蝇和垃圾的泛滥横
行而不受制止。

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发信人: kaye ([email protected][email protected]~埋底海豚~热爱游泳), 信区: MedicalCareer
标 题: [合集] 面试碰到的尴尬事
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Tue Nov 2 02:42:11 2010, 美东)


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ZXCVBNMWUJI (无极) 于 (Sun Oct 31 22:38:21 2010, 美东) 提到:

面试碰到的尴尬事:

我的第一个面试的一个面试官是一个看上去很和蔼的老先生,进去后他一上来就笑眯眯
的问,你是怎么认识Dr.XXX的?Dr.XXX是我到美国后的第一个老板。我说,您认识他?
他微笑地点头,说Dr.XXX跟他一起在XXX做的resident。我于是精神为之一振,把我当初
出国如何联系Dr.XXX到他那儿做POSTDOC给绘声绘色了一遍,末了还加了一句类似“He
is the nicest person I've ever met.”之类的评论。面试官耐心听我说完,然后仍
然笑眯眯地说:“Well, I was not getting along with him very well at that
time.”然后就是blah blah blah blah.我当场差点晕倒。

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DrNewbie (NN) 于 (Sun Oct 31 23:33:50 2010, 美东) 提到:

You could have said back, Ohh, he must have changed quite a bit.
Or he only gets along well with suck-ups. I jam him up real good.

【 在 ZXCVBNMWUJI (无极) 的大作中提到: 】

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fionaww (加州无鱼) 于 (Mon Nov 1 00:00:52 2010, 美东) 提到:

第一句还好,第二句就不行啦。万一人家说,感情你是suck-up阿,不然人家怎么看上
你,把你从国内招来呢?不更晕倒了?


【 在 DrNewbie (NN) 的大作中提到: 】
: You could have said, Ohh, he must have changed quite a bit.
: Or he only gets along well with suck-ups.

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DrNewbie (NN) 于 (Mon Nov 1 00:03:49 2010, 美东) 提到:

hehehehe.

Third one: Am I such a charming person that I get along so well with him? Or Am I personable that we get along so well.

Fourth one: You should be happy with my people skills now right? Since I can get along with this snob.

If you love my answers and you get my sick humor, please join my club:

Pre_resident_english_corner.

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DrNewbie (NN) 于 (Mon Nov 1 01:25:54 2010, 美东) 提到:

The rest are for professionals only. No imitation by amateurs.
The 1st is witty. The 2nd is humor.


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dojo (麦地里的豆角) 于 (Mon Nov 1 20:34:37 2010, 美东) 提到:

楼上大哥,你是来搞笑的还是来做广告的?你的这些自以为幽默的答案不是too judgemental ("he must"...lol) 就是自我吹捧。

这个情况下,面试官故意不在开始的时候就说合不来,而是在等楼主说了一大堆以后才
说,其实就是想看楼主遇到尴尬时的反应。象楼上大哥这种回答,把球踢回去,反让面
试官尴尬,我以为不好。我的建议是回答"oh, sorry to hear about that" 就行了,
最多再加一句"I don't know why he treats you and me differently",把这话题带
过就得了。Dr.XXX或者任何一个普通人都不可能跟所有人都合得来,这本是正常现象,
何须画蛇添足

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ChiUSMD (治病救热) 于 (Mon Nov 1 20:56:20 2010, 美东) 提到:

I agree. I assume you are a cute girl, and probably got a high remark from
him, otherwise he won't say this political incorrect thing. Go back ask your
boss whatever he said is true or not, then Send him a nice followup email
and make up something 拍一下马屁.

if your boss can send him a short email, 100% you are in or prematched.
My personal experience you will be ranked very high by that program. 美国人的尊师是骨子里的

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sfkitty (meow) 于 (Mon Nov 1 21:12:16 2010, 美东) 提到:

这真的是个需要脑筋急转弯的问题,我觉得理想的答案是结合NN和豆角的智慧。“sorry to hear that" ,加上适当的表情(让面试官觉得你的确 feel sorry about it, 而不是随口说说),再加上 “well, I guess he must have changed a lot“, 然后以一个beautiful smile to wrap it up。



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dojo (麦地里的豆角) 于 (Mon Nov 1 21:28:20 2010, 美东) 提到:

对的,表情要搭上。但这个must就免了,我对NN第一个答案不满意的就是这个must,显
得好象你多知道Dr.XXX的过去似的。你用"I guess"就对了。

说到底,我觉得这个回马枪问题固然尴尬,但老实应对,或者就是尴尬在那儿傻笑没有
答案,也比表现出自大和judgmental要好,这些性格可是要命的。尤其在正式面试问答
的时候,玩幽默是玩火。

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kaye ([email protected][email protected]~埋底海豚~热爱游泳) 于 (Mon Nov 1 23:09:01 2010, 美东) 提到:


dojo(豆角)和chiusmd的分析都很有道理,谢谢!
个人认为是这个问题的正解吧。

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ChiUSMD (治病救热) 于 (Mon Nov 1 23:45:44 2010, 美东) 提到:

The old people always have some 童心,he tried to say "got you", just be his
way and do something satisfy his joke. Now matter how smart you are, just
pretend "he got you".

"oops" then smile, or slightly 夸张一下,any other words might turn the
table completely opposite.
American would anwer: "you are good" or "you got me".

在中国,就自罚杯酒。
中美情况差不多,就是不能充大拿。
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Does it matter whether he has changed or not? NO! The best way is to switch gears right away with a neutral, courteous comment. 'Sorry to hear that' is NOT nice at all. Either is 'u got me'. You really have no idea what happened between these two. Could be something nasty. Or his reply could be just a joke. Either way, it is best not to get involved. Along this line, there is no reason to be 'SINCERELY' sorry for it. The 'sorry' line can be interpreted in a bad way: 'You are sorry because I am an ass?'. Better say something neutral without offending either side. 'You got it' works only when he was really joking. What if he was serious? It would be even more awkward.

There isnt any good answer for this awkward situation. Only an immature person would give you a hard time like this. If a person reply in a courteous way, he wins votes. My answer shows integrity, honor and wit. It wins respects from others. The best dealing with this situation is a polite short answer and a quick switch to other topics.

The beauty of my reply is that it does NOT offend either party. Of course, the tone and your body language determines how the msg is delivered and how it will be received. It is saying I dont know his past. All I know he is the nicest person. If what you said about him is true that he was hard to get along, he is very nice now.

'"I don't know why he treats you and me differently" could be taken as very offensive. Right? 'It is because I am an ass?'


2-4 are for laughs only. Hope everyone here knows when to chuckle on a joke. For the people who cant figure out when a joke is told. Here are some clues: suck-ups, jam-up, snob.

All you can brag is how other people drooling over your job. How pathetic.

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4 [DrNewbie 于 2010-11-02 13:44:06 提到]
Ur foul mouth cost your job already. You just never learn. You will lose
your job again if you dont know when to hold back your filthy mouth.


You can only take pleasure in getting even by your bragging how the wife of
the boss who fired you left him. You are just plain sick.


BECAUSE YOU HAVE WRITTEN ABOUT THESE FACTS ON PUBLIC WEB SITES, YOU HAVE FORFEITED YOUR PRIVACY.

You are nobody compared with your peers.

Even a monkey can get a score of 50 by throwing darts on a board. So you
think you are smart with scores of 70s? You just got lucky. Period.
Nothing to be proud of.

Talk to anyone who got scores of 70s and ask them whether you just got lucky
or it just doesnt matter. Dont use one case to counter me. Lets talk
about trend or stats.

Your numerous scum filled posts have been deleted by BanZhu. You were so
out of line that even BanZhu was ashamed of you and deleted your mean post
about your ex-boss right after you posted it.

There are many precedents of accomplished people turning into monsters in
their senior years When you were biting every bystander on the street, I
suddenly realized its not me, it is you.

Yes, there are plenty of very smart yet generous, decent people here.

They shoot for much higher goal than you. With your lousy 70s score, no
wonder the best advice you gave to them is to take the less satisfying
prematch. Because you could only get lucky once.

So stop misleading people by using you as an example.

To exclude me from getting info on the medi board, you tried to drag
everyone into ur private club. It just shows how childish you are. Only a
sick person would devise such an evil plan. Even your buddies think you
have gone too far and opened ur private club for public viewing.

You are just a plain sick old man.

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4 [snowfox01 于 2010-11-02 17:25:32 提到] [FROM: 134.74.]
Dr.Newbie:Please be nice to this old man。
难道你没看见你把他生命中唯一的支柱----收集各种贴子,然后大言不惭的copy&post 到自己的网页。给打碎了。同时,他在麦地的“一手遮天” 用那二十年前的狗屁经验来误导新人,也让你给揭穿了。我能理解他的恼羞成怒。他也没几天了,就让他乐呵乐呵吧。

他的英语很好。中国人特别是我们河南人一听就懂。 像“welcome u join my club" 和his is a very unique 8-gua I enjoy to read”还有“I'm sure there you will get more benefits=我坚信在这里你将得到更多的好处。”多么容易的“直”译呀
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5 [DrNewbie 于 2010-11-02 23:00:52 提到]

His best English is:

Bless the God. No wonder people call him the GodFather.
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1 [DrNewbie 于 2010-11-06 04:15:20 提到][删除][修改] [FROM: 98.119.]
This is taken from USMedEdu's blog, NOT from his private club. After USMedEdu had made the nasty comments, people consulted a few people and below are some answers confirming that DrNewbie's response is good. Others are NOT appropriate.

发信人: daisyy (Daisy), 信区: Pre_Resident_Club
标 题: Re: 无极: 住院医生面试碰到的尴尬事( 力刀评注推荐及麦地网友
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Fri Nov 5 11:38:39 2010, 美东)

我在英语论坛问了一下这个问题。 这是我得到的回复。看来说‘Oops, you got me.' ‘I'm
sorry to hear that.'都不是很好。

Dojo 曾经建议过加上 I guess 到 he must have changed 可能是比较好的。

BTW, I don't want to see my threads on this one to be appeared in the
MedicalCareer Board. Thanks.

Well, this is a bit tricky because it's not just a language question,
you're also asking how the situation should be interpreted (which is
difficult to do if you weren't present) and how to respond in a
difficult situation (which can be awkward even in your native language).

Option 1) I would think the old gentleman rather strange if this was
what he was doing, but who knows? In any case, I wouldn't reply "oops,
you got me", as you probably don't really want to say to him "I think
you just tried to trap me in an awkward situation", even if that was in
fact what he was indeed trying to do. It also may sound as though you
were just pretending to like the advisor, whereas in fact you are now
acknowledging that he is unlikeable.

Option 2) Possible, but it sounds a bit strange. You're more likely to
say "I'm sorry to hear that" if you hear that someone has died, or some
other unfortunate event has occurred.

Option 3) ‘I guess he must have changed.' --Probably the best of your
suggestions, in my opinion - you are sticking by your original opinion
of the advisor, whilst acknowledging that the old man might have had a
different experience. It is a good, diplomatic response.




发信人: dojo (麦地里的豆角), 信区: Pre_Resident_Club
标 题: Re: 无极: 住院医生面试碰到的尴尬事( 力刀评注推荐及麦地网友讨论
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Fri Nov 5 13:11:12 2010, 美东)

这样,我早上发信给我的consultant问了。她以前是某著名医学院招生委员会成员,也
曾面人无数,现在提供收费咨询服务。她的答案应该算权威了。的确 sorry to hear
that 虽然不只是用在死了人的时候,但有点负面,她的这句话应该是最合适的。

> I have another random question. During interviews, sometimes the
> >interviewer came up with a follow-up question that put me in an awkward
> >position, and I'm not exactly sure what's the best way to answer. For
> >example, one interviewer would ask with a smile "How did you meet Dr. X
> >(one of my advisers)? I knew him because we cooperated many years ago."
> >I'm of course happy that there is a connection, so I would describe my
> >encounter with Dr. X in great detail, and say something like Dr. X is
> >the nicest person I've ever met. But then the interviewer would
> >follow-up, still with a smile, and say "actually, I was not getting
> >along with him very well at that time." What shall I say in this awkward
> >situation? Shall I try to sympathize with him and say "sorry to hear
> >that, I don't why he treated you and me differently"? Or shall I
> >reaffirm my position and say "he must have changed a lot"? Or shall I
> >just downplay and say "you got me"?

I think the best way to deal with it is to just say something like "I'm
sorry you had that experience." Nothing more is indicated. But, it's
very odd for an interviewer to put you on the spot like that. Shows poor
interviewing skills on his/her part.

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If you ask you your consultant that you want to reaffirm your position, of course it is not very appropriate. But if you say it in a way that it serves only as a topic switching comment and in a non-confrontational fashion, it is actually a better choice. The 'changed' line is not intended to argue about his boss' character. It is not relevant to his IV, and not worth debating about.

See below from someone else:
"Option 3)
‘I guess he must have changed.' --Probably the best of your
suggestions, in my opinion - you are sticking by your original opinion
of the advisor, whilst acknowledging that the old man might have had a
different experience. It is a good, diplomatic response.".
-----DrNewbie.
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发信人: fionaww (加州无鱼), 信区: Pre_Resident_Club
标 题: Re: 无极: 住院医生面试碰到的尴尬事( 力刀评注推荐及麦地网友讨论
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Fri Nov 5 23:46:18 2010, 美东)

hehe, actually I just talked with my attendings today too and got the same comment.

Just simply say:" I am sorry to hear that. I didn't know you had that
experience with him." Because the interviewee already pushed himself to the
corner, don't say more except simply acknowledging the fact.

2 [DrNewbie 于 2010-11-03 23:04:34 提到][删除][修改] [FROM: 98.119.]
REPLY TO THE ATTACHED COMMENT.

"Must" is perfect here. "May" is NOT.

Would anyone use suck-ups, jam-up in a formal interview as in Joke #2? Would this be a clue that it is a joke? Would anyone use snob in Joke #4? A good joke teller does not start with Hey, I am telling you a joke?

The 'Sorry' line could be interpreted in the wrong way. It is Not like you say sorry when some1 is sick.

Your 'I dont know why he treats us differently' is clearly very OFFENSIVE. It insinuated that the interviewer is an ass cause the Boss is the nicest person in the whole world, right? It is so pathetic that your answer is so appreciated by the MadDoc and put on the front page for people to spit at. Have u noticed that Not a single person responded to the MadDoc's comment? Why? So many people hate me to their guts. Why nobody jumped out and LOLed like you? Simple! Cause your answer is offensive.

Read my reply please before you comment. MadDoc initially made the club private. Only under the protests from some righteous people who think he has gone too far, he made it public a few days later.

Because I use 'real world' examples for English writing practice, a private English club is best suited for this purpose. If you didnt know, a couple of thugs on medi routinely harassed me for correcting their English. Btw, your English is superb. Thats why I thought you would want to help us. But you refused. I am truly sorry for this.

Some people get dark humors. Some dont. It is just a matter of personal tastes. Yes, many did think it was funny.

Clearly, you have got the bad influence from MadDoc. You had a very lousy attitude with your LOLs towards my posts. You are smart enough to have got into a medical school. But your lack of manners will hurt your personal and professional life. Doc is a prime example. Hope you dont follow his path.
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2 [dojo 于 2010-11-03 22:31:32 提到][删除] [FROM: 71.163.]
Okay, now you say #2-4 are for laughs only, why didn't you say that in your originial post? You could see that fionaww challenged your #2 answer, but you did not tell her you were kidding. Instead you gave two more answers "for laughs", but did any one actually laugh in that thread, before I responded? Your humor is really sick.

I made it clear that your #1 answer is fine except that you shall not say "must". "Maybe he has changed a lot" is an okay answer, but how could you use "must"?

Your comment on my "sorry to hear that" shows that you don't even understand what "sorry" means here. It is a very common, sympathetic response to any kind of misfortune. If you ever tried to describe something unfortunate in your life to an American, you should have heard this sentence before. The sympathetic American saying this would never ever think that he is sorry because you are an ass. Your thinking is ridiculous.

Finally, your conspiracy theory "To exclude me ... you tried to drag everyone into ur private club" really makes me sick, even though I was never a fan of Lao Dao. Lao Dao's club is PUBLIC, everyone in the world can read it, and I joined it on my own without Lao Dao's any email. YOUR club is PRIVATE, and YOU sent me email twice to try to drag me into ur club.
 
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