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lovelypony: 我的CS备考及考经
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发信人: lovelypony (lovelypony), 信区: MedicalCareer
标 题: 拖泥带水版的CS备考及考经(updated again)-更加唐了
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Sat Aug 21 10:04:50 2010, 美东)

话说我这个人永远是拖泥带水,胆小如鼠的。考CS也不例外。周三拿到成绩,拖拖拉拉的到今天才有时间汇报一下。和以往一样,总是有借口的,因为在赶一篇paper,好容易周五投出去了。意外的data gathering还拿到一个星号,自我感觉查体还是不错,但是问病史经常丢三落四的,开始试图记住FA上的问题,后来放弃了,改为按照系统问,看来还是奏效了。个人感觉没有必要劳心费神的背FA上的问题,太痛苦了。按照系统问就好了。

先唐一下我的感激之情,感谢家人的支持,和live/online partners的帮助。还有众多
网友的帮助,有无私邮寄书给我的,有帮助我扫描文件的,打来电话支持和鼓励的,发牢骚贴时安慰支持的,等等。非常非常的感激。

材料:FA+UW+neeraj note

时间:2个月+1周,汗一下,就算有全职工作的借口也是够拖泥带水的。其实个人觉得准备1个月就足够了。我在练习了3周的时候去上了NJ的班,当时SP说我没问题。出于一贯胆小如鼠的心理,回来还是在home school约了mock exam,结果这个mock exam一个月才1-2次,又练习了2-3周才去考了mock exam,又等了2周director才有时间说他觉得我have nothing to worry about。这时候才敢去考了,一不留神时间就拖了这么久。

培训班:我自己去上了NJ的班,觉得很好,感谢茶包的推荐!

复习顺序:我在网上找了2个live partners,都不是中国人。我们复习的顺序是这样的
:按照FA,第一遍只练history taking,因为是3个人一起练,就2个人练,另外一个人
打分。收获很大,第一次问病史都不知道该问什么,练完一遍FA,自我感觉还是比较熟
练了。第二遍我们就专门练closure,每个人先自己说一遍,然后参考fa,再一起总结一
遍,这个帮助很大,从开始不知道说什么,到后来觉得有说不完的closure。然后第三
遍我们专门练PE,先讨论每个case该做什么PE,然后演习,大家知道FA上列的PE太多了
,不可能做完的。这样练完了就去上了NJ的班,SP就说没什么问题了。上完班回来也不
敢间断,一直和partners练到考试为止,这时候练的都是要time,我都定14分钟。后来
考试的时候时间掌握的都很好,没有一个超时的,neuro case也都提前出来了。

考试:TSC,很好的center。开始拿不定主意选哪个center,最后还是决定随大流去TSC
。病人很nice,受了很好的training,没有觉得有前辈说的德州口音。我觉得自己运气
不是很好,别人都说TSC IMG多,可是我考的时候,90%都是AMG。另外一个IMG还是老印。SEP就比较吃亏了。不过大家也不用担心,在没有很多IMG的情况下也不要慌,SP还是相对比较公平的,只要SP觉得沟通没有问题,还是会让我们通过的。每个病人常规的都做到了,敲门,问候,自我介绍,铺巾,洗手等等。不过考试的时候在时间的压力下,还是犯了很多低级错误,比如第一个病人就忘记counsel了,第二个病人一个关键的体检给忘了。12个case里面11个的诊断都很明确,只有一个不知所云,如果大家万一得不到确定诊断也不要担心,个人觉得有个别case就是成心不让我们有个明确诊断的。PN我是敲键盘的,觉得比手写好,个人意见,因为我这个人比较丢三落四的,写好了PN后有懊悔DD的顺序,敲键盘的话就很容易改。

关于SEP的问题:我觉得chinese accent不是大问题,我认识不少有很重口音的朋友都通过了。我觉得cs就是一个在特定场合说一些固定句子的考试,所以只要把自己想问的问题背熟,发音弄清楚,自己可能遇到的情况预先演练好,SEP应该没有问题。当然为了以后职业的发展,整个spoken english还是需要提高,但为了应付这个考试的话SEP还是可以在短期内改善的。反复的背诵可能在考场说的各种句子,考试的时候不要说没有演练过的句子,尽量发音清楚,声音宏亮自信,应该问题不大的。一家之言,不同意的请轻拍。

show empathy的问题,我通常是这样三板斧:(never say I am so sorry to hear that, this is a bad example of showing empathy)
what caused you to come in today?
can you tell me more about it?
how has it/this affected your life/job?
I fully understand/I can see you are suffering, I want to assure you that you are in right hands, and I will try my best to help you.

For ER cases:
After introduce myself:
I can see you are suffering, I need to ask few questions and do a quick physical to know what is going on with you. I will be as quick and gentle as possible.

贡献一个我最喜欢的回答changllenging question的标准答案: is this serious? am i going to die?
to be honest, i am not 100% sure what i am dealing with right now. why should we worry about the things we are not sure of? let's take one step at a time, i am going to....bala, bala....

很重要的一点就是千万不要alarm the patient,就是高度怀疑cancer, MI,closure的时候也要捡轻的说。其实想一下,真正临床上也是这样的,不是吗?在病理报告没出来前就告诉病人u might have cancer是给自己惹麻烦的。

还有我在practice的时候,发现很多人喜欢问may i sit down? may i ask your permission to write some notes when we talk? may i....bala bala。至少我没有问任何一个这样的问题。我们的traniner说的是我们是doctor (at least we need to pretend to be a real doc to pass the exam),we are in charge of the room, not the patient.所以我都是说i am going to....i need to....

先想到这么多。这次没有发挥很好的XDJM们也不要泄气,只要好好准备都能通过的。很抱歉关于考试我只能说这么多,请大家不要询问细节,非常感谢大家的理解!

最后顺求大家的祝福,有些考试以外的问题还没有解决,我一贯是比迷信麦地的祝福~~~不好意思怎么就唐了这么多~~~

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1   [DrNewbie 于 2010-11-19 23:08:39 提到] [FROM: 98.]


Medi is back to its glory days in the absence of the obnoxious barking from the MadDog!!! Does anyone think there are some indispensable tips he actually learned from his private club? His club is such a joke.

I cant believe this kind of idiot exists in this world. Two words to describe this piece of human trash: shameless and stupid. USMedEdu, aka, MadDog, put the following thread in his blog and bold it in the front page. Yet, clearly, the answers he endorsed are the worst answers. The answer I provided got a nod from an English forum. Does he understand the concept of shame or logic? Not only he speaks/writes shitty English, he cant think straight either. And now he wants to drag everyone down with him. PITY! What kind of dumb ass slaps his own face in public? What a joke!
无极: 住院医生面试碰到的尴尬事( 力刀评注推荐及麦地网友讨论)

Doc has successfully sabotaged a good learning club. At the peak, the pre_resident_english_corner had over 95 members and hundreds of posts. Congratulations! I will jot down a few expressions and new words here and there for myself mostly. Sorry friends. I let you down. You guys are the only losers as the bystanders caught in the cross-fire between the two warring parties. Ironically, both of the two people at war came out as the only two 'winners'. Doc can claim his star power. I can focus on my study.

Clearly, this USMedEd cant think straight anymore at his age. To give his credit where credit is due, he is still good at copying/pasting of the posts written by others. Follow his rubbish advice at your peril. We can write a laundry list of his shitty advice. This is a guy who cant keep his job for long. I am still wondering why he had to side with the losing party in a political struggle at work as he put it in one of his posts. Most people would not get involved. Only confrontational and aggressive douche bags would go for it. They can be burned again and again and are still clueless as it is just bad luck and not their faults whatsoever.

It is not just me saying this. Read this:
[snowfox01 于 2010-11-02 17:25:32 提到] [FROM: 134.74.]
Dr.Newbie:Please be nice to this old man。
难道你没看见你把他生命中唯一的支柱----收集各种贴子,然后大言不惭的copy&post 到自己的网页。给打碎了。同时,他在麦地的“一手遮天” 用那二十年前的狗屁经验来误导新人,也让你给揭穿了。我能理解他的恼羞成怒。他也没几天了,就让他乐呵乐呵吧。

There is no doubt that my English is better than anyone else including Eric and that lumcsomething. I was actually touched by the applications to my club every day during this short time. While I am still trying to figuring out the best way to get people energized and the best way to help, it went kaboom. It is such a pity. Just imagine how much more I can help once I get into residency and finish it.

I am sorry it has gone this far. This dokknife has been attacking me relentlessly on anything I write for no good reason. I have to stand up for myself. He said it himself: He does not care whether I am right or wrong. So he makes it personal. Now, he got it. It is personal between him and me.

Feel free to say hello to me at your leisure. I dont have time to play with this piece of human trash and a sadist who excels in copying/pasting and who cant keep his jobs for long. Let him have his schadenfreude from how the ex-boss who canned him got divorced. Let him brag how successful he is in dismantling a learning place.

Lets watch which comes first: I get into residency or he got fired.

并爱好给人改错的蠢人的发言更充分地反映出其愚蠢和无知,她的所谓良好英语在她的愚蠢脑袋支配下成了砸她自己脚的石头。此人在麦地已经贩卖了无数的垃圾和错误得东西。我实在无法忍受这种蠢人无休无止地误导CMG.
-----Doc.
乌龟总是对眼王八,狼和狈总是为奸。
你和这个混球对上眼很正常。装糊涂装黄花大姑娘真有坐台小姐得姿态嘛。
-----Doc
你这WSN还真是咸吃萝卜蛋操心.
-----Doc
耗子乌龟王八苍蝇和垃圾.
-----Doc
狗屁不懂的蠢货,愚蠢跳粱BSO牛Xer还真是第一次出现。各位可以饱眼福了.
-----Doc
换王八壳子来口水的蠢货的蠢言蠢语愚不可及的暴露,她懂个狗P.
-----Doc
我当我的医生,真也是撑了的,给你这号250上课来了还指望你懂人话呢。俺还真不如去打兔子大雁打网球去了。你这号真是纯粹的生物WSN德性。
-----Doc
向你这号又哭穷和没地方找饭碗,还不愿去换个活法,才真让人烦的WSN德性呢!真该去CT或MRI了!
-----Doc
你丫的又该酸掉几个牙?尔等难怪人家说生物萎缩,真TMD不亏!
-----Doc
说你等装B萎缩吧,你还扭扭捏捏跟坐台的要装黄花大姑娘似的。想来邪的,俺不是
不会更不是没掐过。
-----Doc



You all think this is acceptable and a good presentation of character? What I said back is half what he has said to me. Every time I make an apology to him, I got spit-at-your-face response in return.

It is a pity to see a good club falling apart. At least I have the decency not to use my club as a venting joint. I am sorry that you are put between a rock and a hard place. I will understand if you have to quit the club. You are always welcome to use a majia and check us out. This club is not intended as a base for isolation or a launch pad for personal attacks. It is a place purely devoted to English skills. It is a really a shame that Doc would pull people out of a club just to make people take sides. I dont see how he sabotages an educational club would help his cause. Yes, he has succeeded in pulling 20 people out of my English club and he can claim it is a win-lose-lose situation for himself. But ultimately, it is a lose-lose-lose situation.


1 [DrNewbie 于 2010-11-08 22:03:16 提到][删除][修改] [FROM: 98.119.]
Do you have any traces of honor and integrity left in your body? What a piece of human trash. How hard is it to admit you were wrong? What a stupid, arrogant, crazy bitch. Your bark is worse than your bite. Pathetic loser. You promote a 'clean' medi. Yet, you started a club for the sole purpose of shitting in it.You are a disgrace to the human race.

Read this and you know how it started and what I said is exactly what Doc said to me in English. And he said it a dozen of times to me.

http://www.mitbbs.com/pc/pccon_7773_142905.html

1 [DrNewbie 于 2010-11-08 23:51:41 提到][删除][修改]

What I said is half of what you have said to me. What are you whining about? Be a man. Fight fair and square. Dont just shit in your own compound. You thought you will get sympathy from your followers? What you get is despise from your sympathizers.

2 [DrNewbie 于 2010-11-08 23:05:40 提到][删除][修改]
Clearly you have no comprehension of English. You have a low EQ. You are clueless here. Why dont you shut your mouth? Be a man and make an apology to me. I have apologized to you a dozen of times. What I get is spit-at-my-face every time in return. Do you have any integrity and honor left in u?

3. All said and done. You truly think you gain the upper hand by locking me outside? You truly think I will lose without getting into your club? Seriously, dont flatter yourself. I have connections to match into a good University program already. I personally know a couple of Chinese PDs and American PDs. Give me a break already.

Lexian (蒙古大夫) 于 (Thu Feb 11 12:11:31 2010, 美东) 提到:

I think you are pointing this to me. I can honestly tell you i don't have
any MaJia. never had and never will. I don't hold personal grudge against
anybody, especially this one. it's not worth my time.

However, i think you are biased by assuming people who are against tyranny
and unjust are against anyone specifically. I can only speak for myself
because i really don't know anyone else that got into similar kind of
argument with him. I have no intention of "打击正在做的人", but that doesn't
mean i won't say "WAIT A MINUTE, THIS IS NO RIGHT" when i see posts like
the one i respond to.

As i have stated long long time ago, CMG's history in this country are short
. Our mission goes far beyond getting into residency. A public forum that
attracts examiners, residents and PRACTICING PHYSICIANS is very important in
exchange information and experience. I just can't help laughing when i see
some guy who happen to got into residency wants to "harmonize" the forum. I
can honestly say the game just starts AFTER you graduate. Please refrain
from your "GOD" like euphoria of getting into the residency,

发信人: amanda12 (digest08), 信区: Biology
标 题: Re: 给生物同学们: dojo: 走进美国医学院之旅
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Fri Oct 22 08:01:00 2010, 美东)

我想说的是,作为一名医生,应该有更高的道德标准,宽容心和同情心,医生是和人打
交道的职业,会碰到各种各样人,首先我们想到的是他是我的病人,不管他是杀人犯还
是某某人大代表,穷人和富人,都要统一对待。不会因为别人过激言语或者什么而去计
较,要这有宽容心,能站在他人的角度去理解对方,这才会得到对方的信任。不要动不
动就对别人丢WSN。。。你只会显出你心胸狭隘,既与你的医生身份不配,也会让人鄙
视!以前看过你在丁香园的帖子,貌似你没完成专科移植是因为2老美因为你手术做得
好排挤你。
别人稍与你意见不同就恶言相向,言辞激烈,这是你说服别人的办法吗?是从一名医生
口里出来的话吗?要得到别人的尊重和赞美,同时需要你在本专业的优秀和个人魅力,
一言一行感动别人,取得别人信任,医生更是如此。尊重别人的同时,别人才会尊重你
也许力刀的初衷是好的,但是从他的言语看来,更让人觉得是个暴发户。。。。

发信人: Viky (转身插口袋), 信区: Biology
标 题: Re: 给生物同学们: dojo: 走进美国医学院之旅
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Thu Oct 21 20:03:42 2010, 美东)

只有250才会在网上显摆自己的薪水,当年这厮也显摆自己在osu的薪水,现在总算得到
头的"亲徕"了

发信人: redasuka (EVA-02), 信区: Biology
标 题: Re: 给生物同学们: dojo: 走进美国医学院之旅
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Fri Oct 22 03:59:15 2010, 美东)

没啥奇怪的,考版的那些人本身就花了比一般PhD多得多的时间和精力,当然希望能换
来一点优越感。何况不少大陆的MD最后在北美都是在做内科儿科什么的,每天工作也很
压抑,只好靠贬低别人获得一点心理安慰啦。

说实话,我在这边认识的混得好的中国MD还没有Bio/BME的faculty比率高,绝大多数30
-40岁的Attending还是处在天天接待黑哥们的境界,收入税前也就100k多点。真正混得
好、拿大钱的的MD,那是少数,而且基本都是白人。

不是说老中没有MD混得好的,只不过那些混得好的是人家真牛,在哪一行能牛起来。至
于只是为了混碗饭吃的,还是要多掂量几下自己折腾的起不。

发信人: Kiwixi (kiwi), 信区: Biology
标 题: Re: 给生物同学们: dojo: 走进美国医学院之旅
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Fri Oct 22 04:05:37 2010, 美东)

这斯绝对是凭着CMG来美国弄了一个博后的位子。可想而知,实验室做的一塌糊涂,老
板天天骂,连老婆也看不起,留空就跑到楼外面捡烟屁股抽。
然后就考了版,摇身一变就成了医生。

薪水涨了,心魔却去不了,跟同行比,口音重,年龄大,还是来这里显摆,
打着普渡众生的幌子,年复一年贴几个链接,满足自己的虚荣心。本来考版当医生就是
一个职业,非要搞成一个崇拜一个图腾,入门的教众齐颂文成武德哈里路亚癫狂不已。

你那几个链接还是自己留在记事本里吧。不需要你这样自上而下的伪善。

最后送你几句话,真的是为你好,淡定一些,从容一些,都快半百的人了。

他人骑大马,我独跨驴子,回顾担柴汉,心下较些子。
发信人: snowfox01 (白面狐), 信区: Biology
标 题: Re: 给生物同学们: dojo: 走进美国医学院之旅
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Fri Oct 22 14:16:58 2010, 美东)


我可以理解许多国人为五斗米折腰,想得到需要的信息。但是十年前的经验今天不一定
适用了。而且他像传销一样给许多老CMG False hope,一些老毕业生像打了鸡血一样跟
随他, 做了不且实际的选择, 也不知害了多少家庭。精神病人很可怕, 若他再领着
一帮人, 这帮人真是可怜。 take a look:

发信人: USMedEdu (US_CMGs), 信区: MedicalCareer
标 题: Re: 考版俱乐部(Pre_Resident_Club)成立!
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Fri Oct 22 10:45:26 2010, 美东)

click the link and go to club site to apply. Once you apply there, your ID
will be in waiting list for approval.

发信人: lostknife (麦地俯卧撑), 信区: MedicalCareer
标 题: Re: 考版俱乐部(Pre_Resident_Club)成立!
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Fri Oct 22 13:03:31 2010, 美东)

I fully support the idea and be happy to join.
But it shows:抱歉, 缺少参数, 加入俱乐部失败!
please advise what I should do to join the club.
Thanks.

发信人: lostknife (麦地俯卧撑), 信区: MedicalCareer
标 题: Re: 考版俱乐部(Pre_Resident_Club)成立!
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Fri Oct 22 13:05:16 2010, 美东)

By the way, I am a good-egg who hate the bad-egg!

【 在 meigui0714 (rose) 的大作中提到: 】
: 谢谢你的(USMedEdu)忠告。"听人劝,吃饱饭"。我会好自为之的。
: 但是,一个好的论坛氛围,需要大家的努力。我们做为老生,应该已实事求是的态度引: 导后生们走好,走稳自己的路。人生只有一次,尤其是毕业时间长,没有经历过美国正: 规教育的老生们,我们已经没有"试验”"尝试"的时间了。三思而后行, 一旦做出了决: 定,就不要犹豫,大刀阔fu, 勇往直前。
: 尊敬的老前辈,这里是公共论坛,不是你个人的博客。老了,不但应该"自尊,自爱",: 更要尊重他人的不同看法,意见,这样才能赢得更多的尊敬。“唯我独尊”“我是老: 大我怕谁”的心态是万万要不得的。这里不是"黑色会”,这里不需要“教父”!: 读者的眼睛是雪亮的,这个论坛的读者们都是受过高等教育的,相信他们清楚,谁更浅薄。


发信人: Oncogene (何时问天), 信区: Biology
标 题: Re: 给生物同学们: dojo: 走进美国医学院之旅
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Wed Oct 20 18:22:24 2010, 美东)

不要再“尔等,尔等”的了,让人看了烦。身边考版做医生的太多太多了,也没见几个
这么嚣张的。

我不相信这世界有啥救世主。试图做救世主的,脑袋真的需要MRI啦

发信人: yoyoch (yoyoch), 信区: Biology
标 题: Re: 给生物同学们: dojo: 走进美国医学院之旅
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Wed Oct 20 23:39:59 2010, 美东)

素质,素质。
风度,风度。

发信人: KeeVan (Kevin), 信区: Biology
标 题: Re: 给生物同学们: dojo: 走进美国医学院之旅
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Wed Oct 20 23:57:59 2010, 美东)

你说你瞎急啥。就是因为你没说赚多少钱,但是又说生物wsn泛酸,我没看明白人家为什么泛酸。讨论讨论问题不行啊,你这素质也太低贱了,我看还是别行医了

发信人: pigsun (屁哥~~大圣教候补二师兄), 信区: Biology
标 题: Re: 给生物同学们: dojo: 走进美国医学院之旅
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Thu Oct 21 01:07:33 2010, 美东)

散了吧,老刀确实不是来劝退的,也不是故意显摆,其实,他就是专门来找抽的...
--
哈,说出来心里舒服多哩

发信人: Oncogene (何时问天), 信区: Biology
标 题: Re: 给生物同学们: dojo: 走进美国医学院之旅
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Thu Oct 21 01:25:47 2010, 美东)

我都懒得抽她。这么大年纪了,好好说话会死啊??

发信人: Oncogene (何时问天), 信区: Biology
标 题: Re: 给生物同学们: dojo: 走进美国医学院之旅
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Thu Oct 21 01:33:02 2010, 美东)

最后回你一贴吧:
你还是真是个幻想狂人唉。还有吧,就你这口气和心态,现实中能过得舒服还真是见了鬼了。算了,刚才说了,说你也是白说。你还是好好找工作吧,最好找个$1million/yr的,可千万别把自己的高等生活给葬送了呀,走到今天(昨天)也怪不容易的。。。

发信人: Oncogene (何时问天), 信区: Biology
标 题: Re: 给生物同学们: dojo: 走进美国医学院之旅
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Thu Oct 21 01:48:19 2010, 美东)

^_^,你这风向转的还真快

靠骂别人或者教训别人是不可能有效传播自己的信息的。就这种性格,他下个工作也
干不久,哪个上下级能受得了这种人啊。好象别人没见过钱没见过医生没见过成功
人士一样,一副高高在上的架势,受不了。

发信人: newlily (lily), 信区: Biology
标 题: Re: 给生物同学们: dojo: 走进美国医学院之旅
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Thu Oct 21 09:18:43 2010, 美东)

老刀,本来我是挺尊敬您的,想从您的帖子学点东西,结果谩骂满篇,没有一点有用的东西。

发信人: Viky (转身插口袋), 信区: Biology
标 题: Re: 给生物同学们: dojo: 走进美国医学院之旅
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Thu Oct 21 11:19:53 2010, 美东)

这厮两次被fired了,还特喜欢到处指手画脚

标 题: Re: 给生物同学们: dojo: 走进美国医学院之旅
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Thu Oct 21 14:10:26 2010, 美东)

1.相信大家都有北美工作经验,新chair来了,就辞掉所有的人,可能吗?道是有可能
。。。。,

2.“加拿大拿的工资比美国大学薪水要高一倍可工
: 作量才是美国的1/4(其实俺每天1小时就干完了!)” 这种事情只会发生在社会主义
中国。 加拿大? 你可别弄的跟唐骏似的。
3.你是为了祖国加拿大的医学发展,毅然决然放弃了美国的高薪
工作,回到了加拿大了吧。

发信人: Viky (转身插口袋), 信区: Biology
标 题: Re: 给生物同学们: dojo: 走进美国医学院之旅
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Thu Oct 21 11:31:42 2010, 美东)

正常个p, 被fired了就是被fired, 没见过这么不要脸的


【 在 USMedEdu (US_CMGs) 的大作中提到: 】
: 窝草! 俺自己在网上说过,还怕你来拾俺的鞋后跟泥巴砸俺不成?
: 被新chair辞了,换朝换臣找新工作在北美不是常事吗?哪个医生老死在一个单位的?
: 俺要再显摆一把告诉你俺现在在加拿大拿的工资比美国大学薪水要高一倍可工
: 作量才是美国的1/4(其实俺每天1小时就干完了!)你丫的又该酸掉几个牙?
: 尔等难怪人家说生物萎缩,真TMD不亏!




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劝 lz别跟那个老250浪费时间了。。
 
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