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Re: 内心纠结中求建议: 考BOARD还是学做PA或其他HEALTHCARE位
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haachang
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标  题: Re: 内心纠结中求建议: 考BOARD还是学做PA或其他HEALTHCARE位
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Fri Jul 16 17:08:30 2010, 美东)

我觉得dds自己开业的话,还要考虑到是否能够拉到很多客户,牙医病人的选择性还是
很强的。中国牙医就算在中国人多的地方也不一定就能招揽到大部分中国客户,至于老
美客户,技术好,名声在外的话,可能行,如果就是中规中矩的一般牙医,老美不大会
放着白人帅哥美女牙医不选。还有美国我觉得牙医不是很缺,缺的地方说老实话,很多
人是看不起牙医的,还有牙保险跟医疗保险相差极大。
【 在 DrNewbie (xiaoxiao) 的大作中提到: 】
: DDS is not for everyone.  You need to get a loan to finance you through. 
: Many CMGs dont have the means.  For those who have the luxury to choose,
DDS
:  is the way to go.
: 200K for a general dentist to start.
: 300K when you have your own business.
: If you are good, take on a few specialist procedures, 400K.
: Get trained as a specialist, 500K.
: The above are low end estimates.
: And your earning power is higher than salaried MDs because you can write
off
:  a lot of expense as a business owner.  Seriously, there are a lot of ways
: ...................



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发信人: haachang (haachang), 信区: MedicalCareer
标  题: Re: 内心纠结中求建议: 考BOARD还是学做PA或其他HEALTHCARE位
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Fri Jul 16 17:10:22 2010, 美东)

可能等你到了另一个阶段会bother,马斯洛的层次需要说,我觉得还是很对的。还有很
多时候,人们不平衡是因为跟人比比出来的。
【 在 DrSnail (钝刀书生) 的大作中提到: 】
: People are talking about 2nd- or 3rd-class MD. Maybe it is true. Why
should
: I bother? It is good enough for me to get a resident.



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标  题: Re: 内心纠结中求建议: 考BOARD还是学做PA或其他HEALTHCARE位
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Fri Jul 16 17:20:26 2010, 美东)

请教: PA是否到底还是替MD打工,做了MD的工作但拿的少,责任少?

听说医改后,MD等收入会降20-30%,会吗?

低级问题, 请别介意.

【 在 againstwind (逆风而行) 的大作中提到: 】
: 有了考board资格,去做牙医,你能说服得了自己,能说服得了牙医学院?
: 你可以考board,去重新读什么pharmD DDS学位都是不合理投资,靠board是回报率最高
: 的,说实话意你现在的处境,you have nothing to lose,也不用辞职,花的就是一两
: 年的看书时间和考试的钱。实在觉得不想这么花脑子,去读个PA,也行,至少和医学还
: 有关,但是其实活不少干,先期投资也不少。



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标  题: Re: DDS >>>MD.  DDS makes much more money than MD with les
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Fri Jul 16 17:29:48 2010, 美东)


【 在 DrNewbie (xiaoxiao) 的大作中提到: 】
: People have different ambitions and strengths.  Some people like me is
: content with any job available.  Some people strive to be the best. 
: The best Chinese MDs like wind and 09 vs the worst American MDs.  They
might be more respected. But compare
yourselves to the best American MDs? 
: You have to agree for a given person, better to have an American degree
especially it takes the same amount of
time.  You will be rewarded after paying your due.  Why people pay 200K for
a DDS? Cause they are retarded?  


Hehe, remember u tried to talk one other ID into professor than usmle? U
think it is easier for us to be the best
researcher than the best MD?  What is the point of being the best? U think u
can become the best if u were in china?
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发信人: soaplover (~wake me up in san francisco~), 信区: MedicalCareer
标  题: Re: 内心纠结中求建议: 考BOARD还是学做PA或其他HEALTHCARE位
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Fri Jul 16 17:33:48 2010, 美东)


【 在 prem (prem) 的大作中提到: 】
: 请教: PA是否到底还是替MD打工,做了MD的工作但拿的少,责任少?
: 听说医改后,MD等收入会降20-30%,会吗?
: 低级问题, 请别介意.


From a resident's point of view, they do scut work for MD. Agrain from a
resident's point of view, I'd never go for that
path if I have a choice. However, from PAs' point of view, they r happy
about what they r doing.
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标  题: Re: DDS >>>MD.  DDS makes much more money than MD with les
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Fri Jul 16 18:02:21 2010, 美东)


【 在 DrNewbie (xiaoxiao) 的大作中提到: 】
: In his case, he is ready to apply for a faculty position. 
: I made it very clear.  If he just started it out, board is the way to go. 
: Not after he is close to get a faculty position.
: Board is for fresh Ph.Ds or postdocs who cant get a faculty position or a
: master degree or someone without any American education like me.
: In another word, it is for someone who has not put too much time in
research
: .  Or for someone who cant make it to faculty after spending too much in
: research.
: for
:  u


I assume u know the difference between being close to a faculty position and
being close to be a professor.
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标  题: Re: DDS >>>MD.  DDS makes much more money than MD with les
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Fri Jul 16 18:06:58 2010, 美东)


【 在 DrNewbie (xiaoxiao) 的大作中提到: 】
: In his case, he is ready to apply for a faculty position. 
: I made it very clear.  If he just started it out, board is the way to go. 
: Not after he is close to get a faculty position.
: Board is for fresh Ph.Ds or postdocs who cant get a faculty position or a
: master degree or someone without any American education like me.
: In another word, it is for someone who has not put too much time in
research
: .  Or for someone who cant make it to faculty after spending too much in
: research.
: for
:  u


I seriously suggest u to label ur posts as "this is just my whinning". then
nobody will be bothered.  I see u really hate
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标  题: Re: 内心纠结中求建议: 考BOARD还是学做PA或其他HEALTHCARE位
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Fri Jul 16 18:38:13 2010, 美东)

It is a shame to see some of CMGs labeling themselves "2nd class MD". There
is no such thing as "2nd class MD". Period.

Remember FMGs are given the same consideration when applying residency
program as AMGs. If you can get ECFMG certificate than you are ready for the
game, as simple as that. If we were not treated equally the first place,
there won't be so many AMGs did not get their 1st choice or even unmatched,
not to mention some of FMGs did manage to get into "ROAD" residencies. CMGs
should be encouraged to try this career pathway before the "door" closed.

Be respectful to other people's career choice. Do not be judgmental please.
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标  题: Re: DDS >>>MD.  DDS makes much more money than MD with les
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Fri Jul 16 19:07:28 2010, 美东)

你不是在说笑话吧? 从来就只看phD学校,谁管你POSTDOC是哪里的?

承认二流没什么不对的。
在 autumn09 (autumn) 的大作中提到: 】
: 当然很多CMG进了NY或者NJ的Community Hospitals(这可能就是所谓的“2nd class”
: ),但是很多人通过自己的努力后来进了“1st class”Fellowship Programs。还是那
: 句话,成为2nd class or 1st class MD,
: ...................



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标  题: Re: DDS >>>MD.  DDS makes much more money than MD with les
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Fri Jul 16 19:09:32 2010, 美东)


【 在 DrNewbie (xiaoxiao) 的大作中提到: 】
: It might take him half a year to find one.  If he cant find one, he might
: think about taking USMLEs then. Most people can make tenure after getting
a
: tenure track position.
: Just as I stated, it is for fresh Ph.Ds or postdocs who cant find a
faculty
: position.  If you have not spent too much time in research, board is a
good
: choice.
: and



Faculty is not equal to professor. An adjunct assistant professor, or an
assistant professor is not a professor. A
professor is a professor.   I am 100%sure he won't be able to get a
professor position in half a year, or a year, or two years even three years..... Ur English might
look pretty, but u really should know what u r talking about, especialy in
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标  题: Re: DDS >>>MD.  DDS makes much more money than MD with les
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Fri Jul 16 19:41:55 2010, 美东)


【 在 myhoney (dear) 的大作中提到: 】
: 你不是在说笑话吧? 从来就只看phD学校,谁管你POSTDOC是哪里的?
: 承认二流没什么不对的。
: 在 autumn09 (autumn) 的大作中提到: 】
:  : 当然很多CMG进了NY或者NJ的Community Hospitals(这可能就是所谓的“2nd
class”


拜托,你专科出来是要practice专科的,为毛要care more about where u get ur
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标  题: Re: DDS >>>MD.  DDS makes much more money than MD with les
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Fri Jul 16 19:54:32 2010, 美东)

人家说个二流都要跳的,不在乎住院医哪里?

您不用拜托我这个二流(可能还末流的),专科出来找到工作再说吧。
【 在 soaplover (~wake me up in san francisco~) 的大作中提到: 】
: class”
: 拜托,你专科出来是要practice专科的,为毛要care more about where u get ur
: residency training?



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发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Fri Jul 16 20:00:53 2010, 美东)


【 在 myhoney (dear) 的大作中提到: 】
: 人家说个二流都要跳的,不在乎住院医哪里?
: 您不用拜托我这个二流(可能还末流的),专科出来找到工作再说吧。


呵呵,专科不专科的完全是个人preference。我只不过拜托了一下您的逻辑
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标  题: Re: DDS >>>MD.  DDS makes much more money than MD with les
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Fri Jul 16 20:30:56 2010, 美东)


【 在 DrNewbie (xiaoxiao) 的大作中提到: 】
: Dont listen to these MDs.  They make less money than a dentist and are
: always regarded as a 2nd class MD in this country.
: 4 yrs to get DDS. 
: You are looking at 6 yrs to finish residency.  2 yrs to pass step 1 and 2.
 
: And some OB experience.  You may not make it the first year. 
: Easier life in dental school than residency.
: Dont worry about the tuition.  You will make more money than you can spend

: If you cant get in a dental school after 2 tries, you can try something
else.

麦地的氛围不是互相拆台。你认为自己是2nd class MD,知耻后勇没问题。对于别人的
评判,还是省下心力准备你自己的考
试吧。贡献少而论调高,是不会受欢迎的。如果你乐于帮助别人,请把精力放在给出更
详细的建议上来,与楼主话题“考
Board还是PA”以及你提议的“Dentist和PharmD”,其余无关的内容请停止。



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标  题: Re: DDS >>>MD.  DDS makes much more money than MD with les
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Fri Jul 16 20:51:06 2010, 美东)

看到这个帖子里一些狂妄的话真是让人哭笑不得。 某些人觉得拿个DDS的学位就好像到
菜市场买菜那么容易。 如果真的是这样, 那美国遍地都是牙医了。

如果在国内不是牙医的话, 在美国考DAT然后申请牙医学院不比考MCAT和申请医学院容易
。 有国内临床医学的背景, 考板是更现实的出路。

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标  题: Re: 内心纠结中求建议: 考BOARD还是学做PA或其他HEALTHCARE位置.
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