发信人: ironny (静水流深), 信区: Law
标  题: Re: Re: 说个我了解的理工科转LAW的途径吧
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Tue Feb 19 13:16:03 2008)

have you got Fish offer?

【 在 almondjuice (晒太阳的甜地瓜~干活，干活) 的大作中提到: 】
: 其实一般在美国读过几年书，写过几十页thesis或者paper的从写作能力上应该不是大
: 问题。但是如果不喜欢写东西，尤其是写八股文(
: patent绝对就是一个八股文，看过几个就知道了)，觉得是torture的，那还是算了吧。
: 其实写patent只是个体力活，尤其是过2-3年上了手以后。要往食物链上层走就要看规
: 划管理IP的能力，个人觉得主要有三点比较重要吧： 1. Law school学到的东西；2.自
: 己的专业背景
: ，以及交流表达的能力，或者说忽悠的能力。如果你觉得自己对专业和相关的东西了解
: 的很广，学习能力很强，和朋友侃一般能把人镇住
: (当然了，如果你只会用中文侃那也不行)，基本上就差不多了。3.找一个知名的firm干
: 起。大的firm能接到的case的质量一般是小firm无法比拟的。他们经常和业界的
: ...................



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发信人: igloo (igloo), 信区: Law
标  题: Re: 说个我了解的理工科转LAW的途径吧
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Tue Feb 19 15:36:13 2008), 转信

多谢楼主分享,想问一下这方面知名的公司怎么找,能不能给个link,多谢多谢

【 在 almondjuice (晒太阳的甜地瓜~干活，干活) 的大作中提到: 】
: 首先说明，下面所有的info来自于我向走过这条路的人打听到的信息，网上找到的资源
: 和自己的一些亲身感受。
: 对于理工科的MS/PHD来说，这条路的好处主要是经济上负担比较小和风险可控。从
: career的发展上来看，大致经历technology specialist, part time/full time law
: school，asscociate, partner这么几步。走这条路的话，80-90%的人最后可能是end
: up做patent law，当然你也可以有条件转去做别的，如果想转的话,law school那一步
: 很重要。
: 先说说怎么起步吧。首先assume你有了理工科的MS/PHD，一般来说，PhD更好，有些专
: 业性很强的学科，比如生物，化学等等基本上是PhD required。另外，学校越牛越好，
: 这个我后面会详细说为什么。Research不用特别牛(牛人就去做AP了，谁还折腾这个)，
: ...................


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发信人: yongqi2007 (yongqi2007), 信区: Law
标  题: Re: Re: 说个我了解的理工科转LAW的途径吧
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Wed Feb 27 23:09:32 2008)

写的太好了，很有帮助
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发信人: lvxiao (绿小儿), 信区: Law
标  题: Re: 说个我了解的理工科转LAW的途径吧
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Tue Jan 20 02:55:16 2009)

总结的太好了。给后人留下了宝贵的资源。
只是，如果是一般学校的MS或PHD，但是有大公司工作的经验找律所Technical
Specialist的工作有可能吗？
谢谢
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发信人: DarthSidious (Sith Lord), 信区: Law
标  题: Re: Re: 说个我了解的理工科转LAW的途径吧
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Tue Jan 20 10:36:07 2009)

My friend got an offer from Fish's Boston office.

【 在 ironny (静水流深) 的大作中提到: 】
: have you got Fish offer?



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发信人: alpswolf (wooolf), 信区: Law
标  题: Re: 说个我了解的理工科转LAW的途径吧
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Tue Apr  6 23:27:15 2010, 美东)

那读Law School时候除了sponsor学费，还给工资吗？
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发信人: ironny (静水流深), 信区: Law
标  题: Re: 说个我了解的理工科转LAW的途径吧
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Wed Apr  7 15:08:11 2010, 美东)

给的

【 在 alpswolf (wooolf) 的大作中提到: 】
: 那读Law School时候除了sponsor学费，还给工资吗？



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发信人: FINACC (金融和会计), 信区: Law
标  题: Re: 说个我了解的理工科转LAW的途径吧
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Tue Jun  1 10:38:37 2010, 美东)

去了firm，啥都没有的人是technology specialist，然后你可以去考patent bar，考
过了叫做patent agent，也就是国内俗尘的专利代理人。这个时候你可以在起草的专利
上签名。
-------------------------


没有学过patent bar的tech spec有能力draft patent吗？还是说必须学了patent
bar才有能力draft?

谢谢！


【 在 almondjuice (晒太阳的甜地瓜~干活，干活) 的大作中提到: 】
: 去了firm，啥都没有的人是technology specialist，然后你可以去考patent bar，考
: 过了叫做
: patent agent，也就是国内俗尘的专利代理人。这个时候你可以在起草的专利上签名。
: 有的firm
: patent bar会长点工资，有的不会。总之从tech specialist到patent agent工资涨幅
: 不大。等你
: 拿到JD以后，考过了attorney bar，你就是patent attorney了。junior的attorney叫
: 做associate，
: 这一级工资涨幅就大了，各所的fresh associate到6 year associat的工资从160K-超
: 过250K不等。
: ...................




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发信人: Iam1 (Iam), 信区: Law
标  题: Re: 说个我了解的理工科转LAW的途径吧
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Sun Feb 27 00:12:50 2011, 美东)

学习了不少，谢谢楼主分享。

请问楼主是什么样的背景啊？我有化学的Ph D不知道这条路对自己可行性到底如何，想
参照一下过来人的经验。也欢迎版上其他xdjm们指点迷津。谢谢先！
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发信人: ManofScorpio (ManOfScorpio), 信区: Law
标  题: Re: 说个我了解的理工科转LAW的途径吧
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Tue Mar  1 23:51:26 2011, 美东)

billable hour是什么意思。。。

我现在full-time的engineer，现第一年工作，~80k/year，想将来有了绿卡后转IP
lawyer，想听听各位的高见。。谢谢。。

【 在 almondjuice (晒太阳的甜地瓜~干活，干活) 的大作中提到: 】
: 首先说明，下面所有的info来自于我向走过这条路的人打听到的信息，网上找到的资源
: 和自己的一些亲身感受。
: 对于理工科的MS/PHD来说，这条路的好处主要是经济上负担比较小和风险可控。从
: career的发展上来看，大致经历technology specialist, part time/full time law
: school，asscociate, partner这么几步。走这条路的话，80-90%的人最后可能是end
: up做patent law，当然你也可以有条件转去做别的，如果想转的话,law school那一步
: 很重要。
: 先说说怎么起步吧。首先assume你有了理工科的MS/PHD，一般来说，PhD更好，有些专
: 业性很强的学科，比如生物，化学等等基本上是PhD required。另外，学校越牛越好，
: 这个我后面会详细说为什么。Research不用特别牛(牛人就去做AP了，谁还折腾这个)，
: ...................



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发信人: jackbenze (jackbenze), 信区: Law
标  题: Re: 说个我了解的理工科转LAW的途径吧
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Thu Feb 16 03:00:01 2012, 美东)

楼主，我有些没看懂，私信问下你吧
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发信人: whitespider (gogolala), 信区: Law
标  题: Re: 说个我了解的理工科转LAW的途径吧
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Mon Feb 27 11:23:52 2012, 美东)

patent firm 招 technical specialist 有年龄preference吗？
本人三十五，现在转是不是有点晚了？

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发信人: maxmartin (Jake), 信区: Law
标  题: Re: 说个我了解的理工科转LAW的途径吧
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Tue Feb 28 03:14:23 2012, 美东)

what science background are you? For EE CS it is too late
【 在 whitespider (gogolala) 的大作中提到: 】
: patent firm 招 technical specialist 有年龄preference吗？
: 本人三十五，现在转是不是有点晚了？
: 谢谢



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发信人: whitespider (gogolala), 信区: Law
标  题: Re: 说个我了解的理工科转LAW的途径吧
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Tue Feb 28 13:20:13 2012, 美东)

bummer...i am an ee but works on sensors, which is kind of mechanical and
sometimes optical as well..., strange area ...

what is the average starting age in this line of profession?
for those with advance degrees if they work a few years after graduation
they will be in their early 30s already. so i guess the only chance for ee
and cs ad holders would be right after graduation?

thanks


【 在 maxmartin (Jake) 的大作中提到: 】
: what science background are you? For EE CS it is too late



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发信人: maxmartin (Jake), 信区: Law
标  题: Re: 说个我了解的理工科转LAW的途径吧
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Tue Feb 28 13:31:28 2012, 美东)

For EE cs it is easy to get into and requirement is not very high, lot's of
them can break into with BS or MS. So it is very likely your boss sometimes
in the firm will 10 years younger than you if you are OK with that. For bio,
chem 35 is not too bad, because most of those position require you have Ph.
D., so most people in that line starts around 30.
【 在 whitespider (gogolala) 的大作中提到: 】
: bummer...i am an ee but works on sensors, which is kind of mechanical and
: sometimes optical as well..., strange area ...
: what is the average starting age in this line of profession?
: for those with advance degrees if they work a few years after graduation
: they will be in their early 30s already. so i guess the only chance for ee
: and cs ad holders would be right after graduation?
: thanks



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发信人: whitespider (gogolala), 信区: Law
标  题: Re: 说个我了解的理工科转LAW的途径吧
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Tue Feb 28 15:26:32 2012, 美东)

ahh, thanks, it makes sense
i didn't know bs and ms can be specialist, but i guess for ee and cs the bar
is lower...

anyways, is the bar lower because it really does not require that much of
technical background to do this? or is it because the law firms just need a
large number of them and most phds happen to be into engineering and
reluctant to change to law?



【 在 maxmartin (Jake) 的大作中提到: 】
: For EE cs it is easy to get into and requirement is not very high, lot's
of
: them can break into with BS or MS. So it is very likely your boss
sometimes
: in the firm will 10 years younger than you if you are OK with that. For
bio,
:  chem 35 is not too bad, because most of those position require you have
Ph.
: D., so most people in that line starts around 30.



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发信人: maxmartin (Jake), 信区: Law
标  题: Re: 说个我了解的理工科转LAW的途径吧
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Tue Feb 28 15:49:56 2012, 美东)

is it because the law firms just need a large number

yes, they need more people. And for most law firm specialist make less money
than EE and CS ph.d as big tech company but much longer and more stressful
working hours. If you are OK with less money and OK with your boss much
younger than you. Go for it.

【 在 whitespider (gogolala) 的大作中提到: 】
: ahh, thanks, it makes sense
: i didn't know bs and ms can be specialist, but i guess for ee and cs the
bar
:  is lower...
: anyways, is the bar lower because it really does not require that much of
: technical background to do this? or is it because the law firms just need
a
: large number of them and most phds happen to be into engineering and
: reluctant to change to law?
: of
: sometimes
: bio,
: ...................


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发信人: whitespider (gogolala), 信区: Law
标  题: Re: 说个我了解的理工科转LAW的途径吧
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Tue Feb 28 16:19:26 2012, 美东)

thank you for the advice. appreciate it.

i don't mind working for someone younger than me, but i definitely won't
settle for less money:) otherwise what is the point?

if i am going for it, it would be for the law school and patent attorney in the long run,
not just being a tenure specialist

haha, thanks man


【 在 maxmartin (Jake) 的大作中提到: 】
:  is it because the law firms just need a large number
: yes, they need more people. And for most law firm specialist make less
money
:  than EE and CS ph.d as big tech company but much longer and more
stressful
: working hours. If you are OK with less money and OK with your boss much
: younger than you. Go for it.
: bar
: a




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发信人: maxmartin (Jake), 信区: Law
标  题: Re: 说个我了解的理工科转LAW的途径吧
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Tue Feb 28 17:37:33 2012, 美东)

as specialist you get the less money, but as lawyer you get more. But we
will go back to the age problem, i assume you only want to part time law
school and it usually will start after one or two years specialist
experience. So when you graduate, you are actually around 40. And 40 is a
little too old. Big firms usually don't like to hire old associate unless
you stay in the firm where you are a specialist.
【 在 whitespider (gogolala) 的大作中提到: 】
: thank you for the advice. appreciate it.
: i don't mind working for someone younger than me, but i definitely won't
: settle for less money:) otherwise what is the point?
: if i am going for it, it would be for the law school and patent attorney
in the long run,
: not just being a tenure specialist
: haha, thanks man
: money
: stressful



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发信人: whitespider (gogolala), 信区: Law
标  题: Re: 说个我了解的理工科转LAW的途径吧
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Tue Feb 28 17:43:52 2012, 美东)

yeah that is a challenge i have to deal with i guess

...i should've listened to my wife when i first graduated... she is always
right...

what about graduate law school at 35 instead of 40?

does it make any difference?




【 在 maxmartin (Jake) 的大作中提到: 】
: as specialist you get the less money, but as lawyer you get more. But we
: will go back to the age problem, i assume you only want to part time law
: school and it usually will start after one or two years specialist
: experience. So when you graduate, you are actually around 40. And 40 is a
: little too old. Big firms usually don't like to hire old associate unless
: you stay in the firm where you are a specialist.
: in the long run,



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