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[合集] Gymboree Play & Music Trial
[版面:圣迭戈][首篇作者:sandiego] , 2010年07月31日12:28:48 ,712次阅读,0次回复
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标  题: [合集] Gymboree Play & Music Trial
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  daylight (家有猪朋狗友) 于 (Mon Jul 26 10:11:41 2010, 美东) 提到:


$29 for a month membership and no initiation fee. 

http://www.groupon.com/deals/gymboree-san-diego

我们小孩在上daycare前去了一年多Gymboree,我觉得让他们多少接触点英文,学习
follow direction,对以后上学还是有帮助的。现在夏天要是白天外面太热没地方去,
带孩子去他们的gym play(一周2-3次)还是可以的。反正他们在那边打打闹闹一下午
就过去了。我觉得9个月到3岁的孩子比较合适。太小了(我们弟弟5个月开始去)不会
玩,太大了会觉得没意思。






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  DarkMatterER (生气的时候背圆周率- -||) 于 (Mon Jul 26 17:30:03 2010, 美东) 提到:

谢谢,等娃睡了研究一下。

娃最近特别闹,出门也不和小朋友玩,不知道报的话,钱会不会打水漂。。。



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  purchaser (purr) 于 (Mon Jul 26 17:42:00 2010, 美东) 提到:

谢谢哈,正打算给宝宝报名呢!



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  DarkMatterER (生气的时候背圆周率- -||) 于 (Mon Jul 26 18:23:41 2010, 美东) 提到:

想想还是算了,就混社区大学的免费课吧,我真是懒啊。。。。



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  DarkMatterER (生气的时候背圆周率- -||) 于 (Mon Jul 26 22:08:11 2010, 美东) 提到:

http://www.groupon.com/r/uu5386498

给了我一个refer link



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  meflower (Breeze in May) 于 (Mon Jul 26 23:14:47 2010, 美东) 提到:

这个是一周只有一节课吗?谢谢!



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  DarkMatterER (生气的时候背圆周率- -||) 于 (Mon Jul 26 23:18:52 2010, 美东) 提到:

你进顶楼的链接或者我这个
http://www.groupon.com/r/uu5386498
选择pay now,就可以一步步看到你最近的site提供的课程表。
我家去的是clairemont那个,一周是两节课。
本来不想报,不过社区大学暑假没课,再加上朋友家也报,就一起凑个热闹。
我只报了一个月,给了个refer 链接,不知道好不好用,欢迎大家试用,嘿嘿。。。。



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  yudeli (babe) 于 (Tue Jul 27 01:33:29 2010, 美东) 提到:

some may roll their eyes

but please, no referrals, no exceptions

【 在 DarkMatterER (生气的时候背圆周率- -||) 的大作中提到: 】
: http://www.groupon.com/r/***
: 给了我一个refer link






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  DarkMatterER (生气的时候背圆周率- -||) 于 (Tue Jul 27 01:49:33 2010, 美东) 提到:

啊?看不懂了,啥意思啊?
我报名给了个refer,以后用这个refer的据说可以给我多少free coupon还是啥的,今
天在我家玩得朋友欣然答应回去用,我就直接贴bbs上给她了,要是有别人用更好啦,
如果真有coupon来或者减了钱的,大家分就是了。。。。

【 在 yudeli (babe) 的大作中提到: 】
: some may roll their eyes
: but please, no referrals, no exceptions






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  lovein (lovein) 于 (Tue Jul 27 01:58:27 2010, 美东) 提到:

order了。



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  yudeli (babe) 于 (Tue Jul 27 02:04:48 2010, 美东) 提到:

it is a referral link

if this was Money Board, you are subject to 14-day ban

【 在 DarkMatterER (生气的时候背圆周率- -||) 的大作中提到: 】
: 啊?看不懂了,啥意思啊?
: 我报名给了个refer,以后用这个refer的据说可以给我多少free coupon还是啥的,今
: 天在我家玩得朋友欣然答应回去用,我就直接贴bbs上给她了,要是有别人用更好啦,
: 如果真有coupon来或者减了钱的,大家分就是了。。。。






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  DarkMatterER (生气的时候背圆周率- -||) 于 (Tue Jul 27 02:24:32 2010, 美东) 提到:

还是不懂,这里有规定不能放referal link吗?

【 在 yudeli (babe) 的大作中提到: 】
: it is a referral link
: if this was Money Board, you are subject to 14-day ban






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  yudeli (babe) 于 (Tue Jul 27 02:47:28 2010, 美东) 提到:

I discussed this very topic with former BM psn, see 版务说明

it is up to the BM to interpret the rules

I voiced my opinion - it is not specifically against you, so consider it to be a friendly reminder

【 在 DarkMatterER (生气的时候背圆周率- -||) 的大作中提到: 】
: 还是不懂,这里有规定不能放referal link吗?







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  mars23 (mars23) 于 (Tue Jul 27 03:12:40 2010, 美东) 提到:

G家的课可以免费试上,去网上注册一下就可以。我娃试过一次,没有不喜欢也没有很
喜欢。不过见过整堂课都在里面打滚大哭的娃娃,所以试一下还是很有必要的。

【 在 DarkMatterER (生气的时候背圆周率- -||) 的大作中提到: 】
: 谢谢,等娃睡了研究一下。
: 娃最近特别闹,出门也不和小朋友玩,不知道报的话,钱会不会打水漂。。。






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  mars23 (mars23) 于 (Tue Jul 27 03:13:52 2010, 美东) 提到:

不同课次数不同,网上有课程表

【 在 meflower (Breeze in May) 的大作中提到: 】
: 这个是一周只有一节课吗?谢谢!






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  DarkMatterER (生气的时候背圆周率- -||) 于 (Tue Jul 27 03:49:15 2010, 美东) 提到:

嗯,这个deal只有今天,我们的playdate报了,我们就也报个试试好了,反正就一个月。

【 在 mars23 (mars23) 的大作中提到: 】
: G家的课可以免费试上,去网上注册一下就可以。我娃试过一次,没有不喜欢也没有很
: 喜欢。不过见过整堂课都在里面打滚大哭的娃娃,所以试一下还是很有必要的。






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  DarkMatterER (生气的时候背圆周率- -||) 于 (Tue Jul 27 03:54:21 2010, 美东) 提到:

咱俩去的地方不一样,我在宝宝版,满眼都是diaper。com上的refer code,一般默认
对方不会受损失的事,看不出有ban的必要。

再说,我就是给朋友挂一下,她用了,如果我有free 10,肯定和她平分的,不过我估
计就是个coupon而已了。还费这么多口舌,真是ft。

【 在 yudeli (babe) 的大作中提到: 】
: I discussed this very topic with former BM psn, see 版务说明
: it is up to the BM to interpret the rules
: I voiced my opinion - it is not specifically against you, so consider it
to be a friendly reminder






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  xmxm (xmxm) 于 (Tue Jul 27 11:42:27 2010, 美东) 提到:

we got it as well and to the facility at clairement.  any other kids going
there on weekend?



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  xmxm (xmxm) 于 (Tue Jul 27 11:44:13 2010, 美东) 提到:

thanks for sharing, Daylight!



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  daylight (家有猪朋狗友) 于 (Tue Jul 27 12:14:21 2010, 美东) 提到:


夏天还是不错的,冬天可能比较容易生病,尤其是平常不去daycare的小朋友。

我们孩子还是挺喜欢的,开始的时候都只看着别的孩子玩都看傻了。

【 在 DarkMatterER (生气的时候背圆周率- -||) 的大作中提到: 】
: 嗯,这个deal只有今天,我们的playdate报了,我们就也报个试试好了,反正就一个
月。






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  yudeli (babe) 于 (Tue Jul 27 12:41:29 2010, 美东) 提到:

sorry for being difficult if you feel that way

you don't understand. What you did between you and your friend is perfectly
fine. you have mutual understanding of what benefit you get from your
referral, and you have a way of sharing the bonus with your friend

but ask yourself, by simply post your referral link without disclosing such
details and your willingness to share the bonus, how could you do what you
said you would do? you have no idea of knowing who click through your link.
you disclosed some details little by little only when pressed.

you may want to add the following to your post

http://www.groupon.com/visitor_referral

I'm not questioning you did it with a good intention, but there is a famous
quote:
   
Advice is judged by results, not by intentions.

Cicero, Roman author, orator, & politician (106 BC - 43 BC)

【 在 DarkMatterER (生气的时候背圆周率- -||) 的大作中提到: 】
: 咱俩去的地方不一样,我在宝宝版,满眼都是diaper。com上的refer code,一般默认
: 对方不会受损失的事,看不出有ban的必要。
: 再说,我就是给朋友挂一下,她用了,如果我有free 10,肯定和她平分的,不过我估
: 计就是个coupon而已了。还费这么多口舌,真是ft。







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  lovein (lovein) 于 (Tue Jul 27 16:01:41 2010, 美东) 提到:


过两个weekend我会去呀,是不是要先预约时间呢?我去的话就是在上午,因为宝宝12
点就要睡觉。

【 在 xmxm (xmxm) 的大作中提到: 】
: we got it as well and to the facility at clairement.  any other kids going
: there on weekend?






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  coldspring08 (coldspring) 于 (Tue Jul 27 16:05:36 2010, 美东) 提到:

楼上的,你要想说在版上贴了这个LINK是有待商榷的,我倒是没什么意见。不过你说的
这段话也是有欠考虑吧 “but ask yourself, by simply post your referral link
without disclosing such
details and your willingness to share the bonus, how could you do what you
said you would do? you have no idea of knowing who click through your link.
you disclosed some details little by little only when pressed.”来这版上的人
,我相信大多数都知道小黑是什么样的为人。要是小黑真从这个REFER LINK上拿到了
BUCKS,肯定激动地上来大声吆喝,和大家分赃了。。。请不要过于小人之心了!




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  saintwarrior (miluo(小米)) 于 (Tue Jul 27 16:29:02 2010, 美东) 提到:

昨天没来这里,错过这个了,真可惜。正想给女儿参加类似的活动呢,不知道什么时候
还有这样的deal.



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  xmxm (xmxm) 于 (Tue Jul 27 18:15:12 2010, 美东) 提到:

two weeks later?  My daughter might attend the same class as yours.  Are you
also going to the one in Clairement?
【 在 lovein (lovein) 的大作中提到: 】
: 过两个weekend我会去呀,是不是要先预约时间呢?我去的话就是在上午,因为宝宝
12
: 点就要睡觉。






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  yudeli (babe) 于 (Tue Jul 27 18:17:57 2010, 美东) 提到:


【 在 coldspring08 (coldspring) 的大作中提到: 】
: 楼上的,你要想说在版上贴了这个LINK是有待商榷的,我倒是没什么意见。

Thanks. I think that referral link should be removed or shared in private

: 我相信大多数都知道小黑是什么样的为人。要是小黑真从这个REFER LINK上拿到了
BUCKS,肯定激动地上来大声吆喝,和大家分赃了。。。

share with whom? you and me and everyone on this board but not the referee?

I'm asking a simple and practical question here - how could you split the
bonus if the referee doesn't even know you benefit from that link?

: 请不要过于小人之心了!

did you think twice before you threw out such harsh comment?






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  coldspring08 (coldspring) 于 (Tue Jul 27 19:26:12 2010, 美东) 提到:

不知是我想的太简单还是楼上的想得太复杂。小黑把LINK放在这个版上,有人点LINK去
买了GYMBOREE PLAY&MUSIC的MEMBERSHIP,小黑拿到BUCKS之后,到这边来吼一声告诉大
家他有拿到推荐的钱了,让通过她LINK购买MEMBERSHIP的人和她联系,难道会怕找不到
REFEREE吗?




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  yudeli (babe) 于 (Tue Jul 27 19:27:35 2010, 美东) 提到:

then why don't say so in her original post?

【 在 coldspring08 (coldspring) 的大作中提到: 】
: 不知是我想的太简单还是楼上的想得太复杂。小黑把LINK放在这个版上,有人点LINK去
: 买了GYMBOREE PLAY&MUSIC的MEMBERSHIP,小黑拿到BUCKS之后,到这边来吼一声告诉大
: 家他有拿到推荐的钱了,让通过她LINK购买MEMBERSHIP的人和她联系,难道会怕找不到
: REFEREE吗?






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  coldspring08 (coldspring) 于 (Tue Jul 27 19:34:38 2010, 美东) 提到:

这个我没法帮小黑回答呀。不过不是人人想问题做事情的时候都是考虑特别周到的吧。
况且小黑上面也说了,她去宝宝版看,都是REFER CODE 满天飞的呀,也没见到有这样
那样的疑问吧。如果她早知会引来这么多的疑问的话,肯定会多说几句啦。这次我也算
是长见识啦。



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  yudeli (babe) 于 (Tue Jul 27 19:44:17 2010, 美东) 提到:

that's why I remind her because she appears to know little about how this
kind of referral thing works

【 在 coldspring08 (coldspring) 的大作中提到: 】
: 这个我没法帮小黑回答呀。不过不是人人想问题做事情的时候都是考虑特别周到的吧。
: 况且小黑上面也说了,她去宝宝版看,都是REFER CODE 满天飞的呀,也没见到有这样
: 那样的疑问吧。如果她早知会引来这么多的疑问的话,肯定会多说几句啦。这次我也算
: 是长见识啦。






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  DarkMatterER (生气的时候背圆周率- -||) 于 (Tue Jul 27 20:38:39 2010, 美东) 提到:

行啦行啦,果然如我所料,那个link不work,今天已经失效了,我也没收到任何bonus
,大家都安了吧。

一开始我也不sure能否拿到这个bonus,我搞deal一向不在行的,如果拿到的是什么再
买50减10之类的coupon的,我用不上,难道还要掏钱给大家?我也一直不太相信这么
easy的money,但是不试白不试啊。

那以后介绍ob,儿医,餐馆,都要保证自己不认识那些人,否则谁知道你是否收了好处
啊。

为了大家以后都省心,以后谁也不给大家推荐东西了,否则我娃去了gymboree,哭闹,
不喜欢,我还要找daylight赔偿?



【 在 yudeli (babe) 的大作中提到: 】
: that's why I remind her because she appears to know little about how this
: kind of referral thing works






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  yudeli (babe) 于 (Tue Jul 27 20:43:10 2010, 美东) 提到:

daylight's link doesn't work because the deal has expired.

your referral link still works, just so you know.

it is an honor system. when you recommend, say your ob, you don't get
kickback from him/her. in this case, it is different

enough said

【 在 DarkMatterER (生气的时候背圆周率- -||) 的大作中提到: 】
: 行啦行啦,果然如我所料,那个link不work,今天已经失效了,我也没收到任何
bonus
: ,大家都安了吧。
: 一开始我也不sure能否拿到这个bonus,我搞deal一向不在行的,如果拿到的是什么再
: 买50减10之类的coupon的,我用不上,难道还要掏钱给大家?我也一直不太相信这么
: easy的money,但是不试白不试啊。
: 那以后介绍ob,儿医,餐馆,都要保证自己不认识那些人,否则谁知道你是否收了好处
: 啊。
: 为了大家以后都省心,以后谁也不给大家推荐东西了,否则我娃去了gymboree,哭闹,
: 不喜欢,我还要找daylight赔偿?







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  weiqing (weiqing) 于 (Tue Jul 27 20:58:11 2010, 美东) 提到:

我一直搞不懂为什么不允许referal。只要refer的是好地方好deal的话,这是一件利己
利人的事。你同样的价格买了东西,别人因此受益拿点钱有点优惠对你没什么影响,为
什么对此批评?

小黑姑娘,如果你觉得是对的,为什么要在意别人怎么说?你给A帮忙,问心无愧就行了
,不用管B如何说。

当然,某些人希望靠referal发财,整天发一些referal的帖子,推荐的东西还不一定是
好东西,我想站规和版规是为这些人定的。
【 在 DarkMatterER (生气的时候背圆周率- -||) 的大作中提到: 】
: 行啦行啦,果然如我所料,那个link不work,今天已经失效了,我也没收到任何
bonus
: ,大家都安了吧。
: 一开始我也不sure能否拿到这个bonus,我搞deal一向不在行的,如果拿到的是什么再
: 买50减10之类的coupon的,我用不上,难道还要掏钱给大家?我也一直不太相信这么
: easy的money,但是不试白不试啊。
: 那以后介绍ob,儿医,餐馆,都要保证自己不认识那些人,否则谁知道你是否收了好处
: 啊。
: 为了大家以后都省心,以后谁也不给大家推荐东西了,否则我娃去了gymboree,哭闹,
: 不喜欢,我还要找daylight赔偿?






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  DarkMatterER (生气的时候背圆周率- -||) 于 (Wed Jul 28 16:33:23 2010, 美东) 提到:

我的link也不work了呀,现在是那个网站上的另一个deal,不是gymboree的,我昨天还
点进去呢,因为我朋友点我的link不work,我帮她查的。

我推荐ob,谁知道我没拿好处呢,我推荐餐馆,谁知道我没拿好处呢?

如果我这次写了可能分到钱,赶明儿啥也没拿到,估计又是谣言满天飞,说我把钱昧下
了吧?我还得从兜里掏钱给大家以还自己清白?

泼人脏水容易,被泼的可就有的洗了。

这次一个是我说的不确定能否拿到这个所谓的bonus,一个是我当时正有客人在家,俩
小孩打打闹闹,我没精力写得很周到,而且每个人pay了钱之后,也会出现一个referal
link的,我本来预计会在回帖里出现好多referal link,然后大家一个人帮一个人,
最后皆大欢喜呢。

现在明白为什么人家搞个share快递了,折腾点什么事了,都有人拆台呢,非得当个雷
锋焦裕禄,掏自己腰包给大家做贡献,才没人骂吧,比如用自己家开party最后要付清
洁费的可怜的某皇。。。


【 在 yudeli (babe) 的大作中提到: 】
: daylight's link doesn't work because the deal has expired.
: your referral link still works, just so you know.
: it is an honor system. when you recommend, say your ob, you don't get
: kickback from him/her. in this case, it is different
: enough said
: bonus






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  DarkMatterER (生气的时候背圆周率- -||) 于 (Wed Jul 28 16:39:03 2010, 美东) 提到:

你自己再去看看,我的link昨天就不work了,页面是类似的,也有个pay now,但是东
西不是gymboree的,而是另一个deal了。

另外让我贴link在bbs里的朋友,当天回家去试,也进不去,所以没用上。

我自己以前经朋友介绍买东西,还额外费力填朋友的refer信息呢,就是让人家也有钱
拿,不拿白不拿,大家都欢喜,我也是平时只看到几个灌水的妈妈都跟我很熟,没把这
里当公共场合。

再说一句,我什么钱都没拿到,以后也不会趟此类混水了,这次还不是我推荐,还是rp
比我高的daylight发的deal,要是我自己来推荐,还不一定被说啥呢。

以后我也不会闲得来喊什么deal了,我直接电话认识的妈妈好了

【 在 yudeli (babe) 的大作中提到: 】
: daylight's link doesn't work because the deal has expired.
: your referral link still works, just so you know.
: it is an honor system. when you recommend, say your ob, you don't get
: kickback from him/her. in this case, it is different
: enough said
: bonus






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  yudeli (babe) 于 (Wed Jul 28 22:14:10 2010, 美东) 提到:

Let me explain to you how your referral link works. It is all in the
referral FAQ. I gave you the link to the FAQ, and I really wish you had
spent 2 minutes to read it.

your link is not tied to that particular Gymboree promotion. Every time
someone clicks through your link and buys anything on Groupon website, you
get $10 Groupon bucks which can be used toward your future Groupon purchases.

I'm happy to answer your questions if you are still not clear.

【 在 DarkMatterER (生气的时候背圆周率- -||) 的大作中提到: 】
: 你自己再去看看,我的link昨天就不work了,页面是类似的,也有个pay now,但是东
: 西不是gymboree的,而是另一个deal了。
: 另外让我贴link在bbs里的朋友,当天回家去试,也进不去,所以没用上。
: 我自己以前经朋友介绍买东西,还额外费力填朋友的refer信息呢,就是让人家也有钱
: 拿,不拿白不拿,大家都欢喜,我也是平时只看到几个灌水的妈妈都跟我很熟,没把这
: 里当公共场合。
: 再说一句,我什么钱都没拿到,以后也不会趟此类混水了,这次还不是我推荐,还是
rp
: 比我高的daylight发的deal,要是我自己来推荐,还不一定被说啥呢。
: 以后我也不会闲得来喊什么deal了,我直接电话认识的妈妈好了






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  DarkMatterER (生气的时候背圆周率- -||) 于 (Wed Jul 28 23:21:08 2010, 美东) 提到:

ft,我说的也是这个意思,这个帖子就是讨论gymboree的,看了我的回帖,点进去找的
,也都是要报gymboree课的,那个link现在跟gymboree没关系了,所以进来找gymboree
的人,也不会用了。

你说要是纯找个deal买个别的东西的,他大老远跑到这个gymboree为主题的帖子里,找
我这个link,点进来干啥?他有病啊??!

【 在 yudeli (babe) 的大作中提到: 】
: Let me explain to you how your referral link works. It is all in the
: referral FAQ. I gave you the link to the FAQ, and I really wish you had
: spent 2 minutes to read it.
: your link is not tied to that particular Gymboree promotion. Every time
: someone clicks through your link and buys anything on Groupon website, you
: get $10 Groupon bucks which can be used toward your future Groupon
purchases.
: I'm happy to answer your questions if you are still not clear.
: rp






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  yudeli (babe) 于 (Thu Jul 29 02:59:12 2010, 美东) 提到:

it was a referral then, it is still a referral now

whether someone bright or someone not-so-bright used it or not used it is
irrelevant

【 在 DarkMatterER (生气的时候背圆周率- -||) 的大作中提到: 】
: ft,我说的也是这个意思,这个帖子就是讨论gymboree的,看了我的回帖,点进去找的
: ,也都是要报gymboree课的,那个link现在跟gymboree没关系了,所以进来找
gymboree
: 的人,也不会用了。
: 你说要是纯找个deal买个别的东西的,他大老远跑到这个gymboree为主题的帖子里,找
: 我这个link,点进来干啥?他有病啊??!






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  coldspring08 (coldspring) 于 (Thu Jul 29 03:17:05 2010, 美东) 提到:

这贴怎么还在回啊!我也再来凑个热闹哈!



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  yudeli (babe) 于 (Thu Jul 29 03:25:50 2010, 美东) 提到:


【 在 DarkMatterER (生气的时候背圆周率- -||) 的大作中提到: 】

: 我推荐ob,谁知道我没拿好处呢,我推荐餐馆,谁知道我没拿好处呢?

your friends trust you. they have their reasons to believe you won't make
recommendations just for getting referral bonuses. but if so happens that
there is a referral bonus, you would let your friends know up front, wouldn'
t you?

this is a public forum, you posted a link that could potentially benefit you
. Don't you think the least you could do is to disclose that? didn't you say
you were willing to do exactly that? have you failed to do what you said
when reminded repeatedly?

: 现在明白为什么人家搞个share快递了,折腾点什么事了,都有人拆台呢,非得当个雷
锋焦裕禄,掏自己腰包给大家做贡献,才没人骂吧,比如用自己家开party最后要付清
洁费的可怜的某皇。。。

nobody asks you to do anything for free. important thing is to say what you
mean, and do what you say.






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  yudeli (babe) 于 (Thu Jul 29 03:30:44 2010, 美东) 提到:

it is a good thing to have a healthy discussion

glad that you are having fun, so am I. //hehe

【 在 coldspring08 (coldspring) 的大作中提到: 】
: 这贴怎么还在回啊!我也再来凑个热闹哈!






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  DarkMatterER (生气的时候背圆周率- -||) 于 (Thu Jul 29 04:04:12 2010, 美东) 提到:

有个基本事实你没搞清。

推荐的是daylight,给referal link的是我,我没推荐,甚至我没说一句评价的话,因
为我也没去过。

我不知道daylight的link是否也是referal link,而且我当初认为大家都会一个接一个
地来贴自己的referal link。我并没欺骗别人来点这个link,也不知道是否有人恨我恨
到从我的link进去,给我带来好处,就会追悔不已的程度。

另外,我不认为我有义务提醒别人我有什么potential的好处,我认为我只有义务提醒
大家potential的损失。

【 在 yudeli (babe) 的大作中提到: 】
: your friends trust you. they have their reasons to believe you won't make
: recommendations just for getting referral bonuses. but if so happens that
: there is a referral bonus, you would let your friends know up front,
wouldn'
: t you?
: this is a public forum, you posted a link that could potentially benefit
you
: . Don't you think the least you could do is to disclose that? didn't you
say
:  you were willing to do exactly that? have you failed to do what you said
: when reminded repeatedly?
: 锋焦裕禄,掏自己腰包给大家做贡献,才没人骂吧,比如用自己家开party最后要付清
: 洁费的可怜的某皇。。。
: ...................






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  DarkMatterER (生气的时候背圆周率- -||) 于 (Thu Jul 29 04:17:33 2010, 美东) 提到:

刚又看了你的最后一段。

我没mean别的,这个活动不是我推荐的。我也是参与者,有人看了daylight的贴,问怎
么报,我才贴了我的。不是我跳出来推荐这个活动,然后实际上是让大家给我bonus。
麻烦你不要误导别的看贴的人。

现在看来daylight贴的也不是referal link,也许她有,但是没贴,只能说搞business
的人要更老道,知道怎么避免普通人根本想不到的麻烦。

然后重复一千遍,我基本不太抱希望能拿到bonus,说出去了大家都来找我要钱,我自
己又没拿到钱,我难道要倒贴?没人规定一定要disclose,也没有我眼前的规定说不能
这么贴,那我有权利选择什么时候disclose,向什么人disclose。

本来打算把端午节活动卖东西的帐也公开下的,但是周围人都说用不到,也没人问,我
就算了,现在看来也会有人以为我从这个活动里赚到钱了啊。

那就简单说下,买荷包饰品都是我们从淘宝上买的,我爸和我老公免费运来的,卖掉的
所有的钱,一部分用来cover剩下没卖掉,送给志愿者和相关人员做纪念的荷包,一部
分用来cover这次活动的手工材料费,还剩了18刀,我就做主再凑点钱一起捐给ocef了
,支票周末寄。我手上还剩了三张剪纸和6、7个荷包,还有些人没送到,最后我自己作
为志愿者也会留一两件吧,就这些,不要哪天又有人来说我办活动没有告诉大家我的
potential benefit。

还有你说,没人要我们免费提供服务,既然不指望免费,为什么见不得别人有可能拿到
一点好处呢?


【 在 yudeli (babe) 的大作中提到: 】
: your friends trust you. they have their reasons to believe you won't make
: recommendations just for getting referral bonuses. but if so happens that
: there is a referral bonus, you would let your friends know up front,
wouldn'
: t you?
: this is a public forum, you posted a link that could potentially benefit
you
: . Don't you think the least you could do is to disclose that? didn't you
say
:  you were willing to do exactly that? have you failed to do what you said
: when reminded repeatedly?
: 锋焦裕禄,掏自己腰包给大家做贡献,才没人骂吧,比如用自己家开party最后要付清
: 洁费的可怜的某皇。。。
: ...................






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  DarkMatterER (生气的时候背圆周率- -||) 于 (Thu Jul 29 07:50:53 2010, 美东) 提到:

收到那个网站的信了,有一个人用了我的link,我这里有10刀的future credit。

我很少上网买这些东西,是谁用的,这十刀credit都是你的,你要买什么来找我,反正
我成天都在bbs上挂着。

以后再有人要买这个网站的东西,拜托别点我link了,谢谢。



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  yudeli (babe) 于 (Thu Jul 29 09:50:45 2010, 美东) 提到:


【 在 DarkMatterER (生气的时候背圆周率- -||) 的大作中提到: 】
: 有个基本事实你没搞清。

No. I think everything is crystal clear now

: 推荐的是daylight,给referal link的是我,我没推荐,甚至我没说一句评价的话,
因为我也没去过。

then your link has absolutely no reason to be there in the first place

: 我不知道daylight的link是否也是referal link,而且我当初认为大家都会一个接一
个地来贴自己的referal link。

her link is not a referral link. otherwise I'll be talking to her not you

: 我并没欺骗别人来点这个link,也不知道是否有人恨我恨到从我的link进去,给我带
来好处,就会追悔不已的程度。

I don't hate you. I'm not trying to humiliate you.as I said again and again,
all I'm asking is either share it with your friends in private, or as you'
ve said it yourself what you'd like to do, let the potential referees know
you are getting this $10 Groupon bucks from their purchases, and you're
sharing with them if they ask

the key here is, you don't hold back the fact that you benefit from this
referral, be open, let the referee decide if they want to use your link or
not. otherwise it is misleading.

: 另外,我不认为我有义务提醒别人我有什么potential的好处,我认为我只有义务提
醒大家potential的损失。

the problem with paid referral is that your recommendation could potentially
be biased because of just that, the paid referral. from the very beginning
I said I believe you did it with good intention, but you did it not quite
right probably due to your lack of understanding how this thing works. just
like not everyone hates you, not everyone is your close friend. this is a
public domain, you are not supposed to provide a referral link without a
full disclosure. you did tell your friend about the bonus up front, you
should have done the same in your post. you may not think about this early
on, but why you still refuse to do so now is beyond me.




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  yudeli (babe) 于 (Thu Jul 29 12:10:10 2010, 美东) 提到:

see what I am saying?

although your generosity is very much appreciated, you simply did it
backward.

you don't say, "hey! someone clicked my link and I got $10 Groupon bucks.
ask me if you want it" 3 pages and many posts later. you say this BEFORE
anyone clicks your referral link.

you are free to give 100% of it back to the referee, or split it 50/50, or
keep it to yourself. again, it is important that you let the referee know
that and let them decide.

P.S. here is my message to BMs shangufeng, GPS, or sandiego - thanks for
allowing this discussion to continue. we may not want to enforce the strict
rules as the Money Board does, but I do think any referral links appeared on
this board should be accompanied by full disclosures.

【 在 DarkMatterER (生气的时候背圆周率- -||) 的大作中提到: 】
: 收到那个网站的信了,有一个人用了我的link,我这里有10刀的future credit。
: 我很少上网买这些东西,是谁用的,这十刀credit都是你的,你要买什么来找我,反正
: 我成天都在bbs上挂着。
: 以后再有人要买这个网站的东西,拜托别点我link了,谢谢。






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  yudeli (babe) 于 (Thu Jul 29 12:43:14 2010, 美东) 提到:


【 在 DarkMatterER (生气的时候背圆周率- -||) 的大作中提到: 】

: 我没mean别的,这个活动不是我推荐的。我也是参与者,有人看了daylight的贴,问
怎么报,我才贴了我的。不是我跳出来推荐这个活动,然后实际上是让大家给我bonus
。麻烦你不要误导别的看贴的人。

I didn't mislead. I wasn't accusing you for starting this thread to profit.
all I said was that your link is inappropriate and your original post should
be either removed or modified to include what you said you would do (inform
the referee about the bonus and your willingness to share it). Is that
really too much to ask?

: 现在看来daylight贴的也不是referal link,也许她有,但是没贴,只能说搞
business的人要更老道,知道怎么避免普通人根本想不到的麻烦。

hers is definitely not a referral link. but no, I think it is common sense
not to do what you did - at least you should know by now

: 本来打算把端午节活动卖东西的帐也公开下的,但是周围人都说用不到,也没人问,
我就算了,现在看来也会有人以为我从这个活动里赚到钱了啊。

you're purely speculating now, aren't you? but if there is indeed someone
has doubts, you're obligated to answer the questions. So what you did now is
a good move to make the process transparent. however, you should start a
new thread regarding that event you organized in June. I, for one, applaud
your efforts to make 端午节活动 happen.

: 还有你说,没人要我们免费提供服务,既然不指望免费,为什么见不得别人有可能拿
到一点好处呢?

nobody asks you to do things for free, nobody hates to see you benefit from
it, but, potential referees have the right to know it beforehand and decide
whether they want to use your link or not - it is fair for them, it is good
for you.




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  weiqing (weiqing) 于 (Thu Jul 29 13:14:38 2010, 美东) 提到:

:but, potential referees have the right to know it beforehand and decide
whether they want to use your link or not - it is fair for them, it is
good
for you.


谁说他们有权知道的?

话说回来,知道别人因此而拿了点钱就不用link了,这是一种什么风格?这是一种见不
得别人过年的风
格!你用了别人提供的link而知道了信息,让别人为自己的努力得到一点回报,自己也
不损失任何东
西,何乐而不为?

我不是针对yudeli你,我知道你没有恶意。但我觉得我需要为那些看到有referal就摆
出一幅正义凛
然的样子的人指条明路。






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  yudeli (babe) 于 (Thu Jul 29 13:47:27 2010, 美东) 提到:

other people have every right to question your intention to provide a paid
referral link. It is none of your business to judge their decisions.

the information about the Gymboree promotion was provided by daylight. She
has first-hand experience with them. She gave a direct link to the promotion
. DarkMatterER provided nothing but a referral link.even she said it was
meant to share with one of her friends. why is that link still there 3 days
later?

I'm not criticizing her of intentionally misleading in any way. you, me and
she know that, right? glad to see that we are on the same page.

again, referral could be allowed on this board if they come with full
disclosures. that's my opinion

nobody is perfect. I made plenty of mistakes, so did everyone. I think this
is a really, really good discussion because it brings good out of people who
are involved. hopefully we get something constructive in the end.

Thanks for your understanding.

【 在 weiqing (weiqing) 的大作中提到: 】
: :but, potential referees have the right to know it beforehand and decide
: whether they want to use your link or not - it is fair for them, it is
: good
: for you.
: 谁说他们有权知道的?
: 话说回来,知道别人因此而拿了点钱就不用link了,这是一种什么风格?这是一种见不
: 得别人过年的风
: 格!你用了别人提供的link而知道了信息,让别人为自己的努力得到一点回报,自己也
: 不损失任何东
: 西,何乐而不为?
: 我不是针对yudeli你,我知道你没有恶意。但我觉得我需要为那些看到有referal就摆
出一幅正义凛
然的样子的人指条明路。







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  weiqing (weiqing) 于 (Thu Jul 29 14:41:17 2010, 美东) 提到:

呵呵,别人有权问,我也有权不回答。不是吗?只要我的link没有让别人因自己的获利
而受损,不管从经济和道德上,我都没必要向任何人负责。

另外,不是在judge别人的decidion。我早就judge过了,我现在是在教育人。拥有一颗
博大的心的人,习惯于通过自己的努力让别人的生活过得更美好一些。

【 在 yudeli (babe) 的大作中提到: 】
: other people have every right to question your intention to provide a paid
: referral link. It is none of your business to judge their decisions.
: the information about the Gymboree promotion was provided by daylight. She
: has first-hand experience with them. She gave a direct link to the
promotion
: . DarkMatterER provided nothing but a referral link.even she said it was
: meant to share with one of her friends. why is that link still there 3
days
: later?
: I'm not criticizing her of intentionally misleading in any way. you, me
and
: she know that, right? glad to see that we are on the same page.
: again, referral could be allowed on this board if they come with full
: ...................





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  yudeli (babe) 于 (Thu Jul 29 15:09:06 2010, 美东) 提到:

【 在 weiqing (weiqing) 的大作中提到: 】
: 呵呵,别人有权问,我也有权不回答。不是吗?只要我的link没有让别人因自己的获
利而受损,不管从经济和道德上,我都没必要向任何人负责。

of course you can choose not to disclose, but how can you let others trust
you that you act in good faith? Just saying "I'm a good person, so trust me
on that" may only work in your close circle of friends. Bear in mind this is
a public forum, not your own backyard. some mechanisms have to be in place
to prevent that from happening, and it should apply to anyone, famous IDs,
BMs, everyone included for that matter.

All I ask her to do now is to say that up front, which she also said she was
willing to do. Unfortunately that has not happened, yet.

: 另外,不是在judge别人的decidion。我早就judge过了,我现在是在教育人。拥有一
颗博大的心的人,习惯于通过自己的努力让别人的生活过得更美好一些。

I have no comments on the statement you made here.



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  wsdoll (doll) 于 (Thu Jul 29 15:33:28 2010, 美东) 提到:

so jjww
xian dei huang

I assume you are a man. Why are u so obssessed with this post?



【 在 yudeli (babe) 的大作中提到: 】
: 利而受损,不管从经济和道德上,我都没必要向任何人负责。
: of course you can choose not to disclose, but how can you let others trust
: you that you act in good faith? Just saying "I'm a good person, so trust
me
: on that" may only work in your close circle of friends. Bear in mind this
is
:  a public forum, not your own backyard. some mechanisms have to be in
place
: to prevent that from happening, and it should apply to anyone, famous IDs,
: BMs, everyone included for that matter.
: All I ask her to do now is to say that up front, which she also said she
was
:  willing to do. Unfortunately that has not happened, yet.
: 颗博大的心的人,习惯于通过自己的努力让别人的生活过得更美好一些。
: ...................





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  weiqing (weiqing) 于 (Thu Jul 29 15:37:37 2010, 美东) 提到:

我为什么要让所有人相信我?看帖的人有自己的判断。我贴东西上来,已经是帮助别人
了,相信我与否是你们自己的事情。我可以解释,但我没必要解释。觉得这个link对自
己有用,用就是了,不想让我跟着你沾光,去掉refer code就是了。

这有什么问题吗?我看不出来。

【 在 yudeli (babe) 的大作中提到: 】
: 利而受损,不管从经济和道德上,我都没必要向任何人负责。
: of course you can chooseA not to disclose, but how can you let others
trust
: you that you act in good faith? Just saying "I'm a good person, so trust
me
: on that" may only work in your close circle of friends. Bear in mind this
is
:  a public forum, not your own backyard. some mechanisms have to be in
place
: to prevent that from happening, and it should apply to anyone, famous IDs,
: BMs, everyone included for that matter.
: All I ask her to do now is to say that up front, which she also said she
was
:  willing to do. Unfortunately that has not happened, yet.
: 颗博大的心的人,习惯于通过自己的努力让别人的生活过得更美好一些。
: ...................





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  yudeli (babe) 于 (Thu Jul 29 15:54:54 2010, 美东) 提到:

I'm a practical person, so I see things differently from you

you believe you are doing the right thing, doesn't mean everyone else doing
the right thing. you guarantee your recommendations are based on your own
experiences and/or from reliable sources, doesn't necessarily mean others
can do the same.

some referral links are so obvious, like that $6 movie tickets one even has
"/ref" in it for everyone to see, some links are so deceiving and it takes a
detective work to identify. some links even have malicious codes in it.

so I proposed the following to the BMs. you are more than welcome to comment
on that.

http://www.mitbbs.com/article3/SanDiego/31485721_3_tp.html

【 在 weiqing (weiqing) 的大作中提到: 】
: 我为什么要让所有人相信我?看帖的人有自己的判断。我贴东西上来,已经是帮助别人
: 了,相信我与否是你们自己的事情。我可以解释,但我没必要解释。觉得这个link对自
: 己有用,用就是了,不想让我跟着你沾光,去掉refer code就是了。
: 这有什么问题吗?我看不出来。




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  yudeli (babe) 于 (Thu Jul 29 16:10:45 2010, 美东) 提到:

let this be on the record - I have no interest replying to nonsenses like
yours

【 在 wsdoll (doll) 的大作中提到: 】
: so jjww
: xian dei huang
: I assume you are a man. Why are u so obssessed with this post?




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  yudeli (babe) 于 (Fri Jul 30 16:22:16 2010, 美东) 提到:

since nobody would like to chime in, please allow me to have the last word.

I'm not surprised that nothing has changed. I enjoyed the debate. It was a
good run.

let's get this over with and move on.






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  coldspring08 (coldspring) 于 (Fri Jul 30 16:46:49 2010, 美东) 提到:

很好奇这么喜欢DEBATE的热心人是做什么的。在我看来,针对这个GYMBOREE所贴的
REFERRAL LINK,DEBATE了这三天,其实完全是浪费时间。有这么多时间,还不如干更
有意义的事情了,比如给娃做顿好吃的。EN...




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  daylight (家有猪朋狗友) 于 (Sat Jul 31 02:15:36 2010, 美东) 提到:


I am happy to see that you realize it's time move on.  I thought you'd move
on the time you said "enough said".  You clearly enjoy the debate, to make
the last word, and to be the "correct" one by whatever standard. 

I didn't start the thread to get into a debate, and I had absolutely no idea
it would evolve into this.  I haven't come on for a few days, and I am
utterly shocked to see the result. 

Just like there is a fine line between confidence and arrogance, there is a
fine line between a well-intended reminder and an offensive accusation.  I
believe it all comes down to the choice of language. 

I'd like to suggest next time if you suspect someone violate the board rules
, please kindly point it out to the board masters, and get it handle that
way. I, for one, think this kind of debate is a waste of time.  Like you
said, nothing has changed.  Imagine what kind deals you might have missed by
engaging in this intensive debate spanning days. ;)

Please let the dead horse die.


【 在 yudeli (babe) 的大作中提到: 】
: since nobody would like to chime in, please allow me to have the last word.
: I'm not surprised that nothing has changed. I enjoyed the debate. It was a
: good run.
: let's get this over with and move on.






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