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核心摘要:


1) 对中兴的调查和制裁在两年前就由欧巴马政府启动并实施,并不是川普本届政府才
搞的。前欧巴马政府官员对于这个违反美国国家法律,并对美国国家安全造成隐患的中
兴处罚很可能被放弃感到不可思议。

2) 国会山庄的两党议员,反对在贸易谈判中用中兴来作为退让条款来换取其它利益。

3) 中国要求美国解除对中兴的制裁,同时愿意放弃前一阵叫嚣的对美国农产品施加的
额外30亿美元的报复性关税。

4) 美国要求中国两年减少贸易逆差2000亿美元, 中国答应购买美国农产品和天然气
等,两年减少1500亿美元,双方缺口仍然有500亿美元的差距。

5) 这次,美国仍然拿出了一个涉及到一些实质问题的清单要中国给出答案。






Trump casts doubt on success of China trade talks
By DOUG PALMER and QUINT FORGEY 05/17/2018 10:47 AM EDT Updated 05/17/2018
05:03 PM EDT


President Donald Trump said Thursday he doubted high-level trade talks with
China this week would be successful because the Chinese have been treated
too easily by past administrations. But he also struck a more optimistic
tone in the same set of comments.

“The reason I doubt it is because China has become very spoiled,” Trump
told reporters ahead of a meeting later Thursday with Chinese Vice Premier
Liu He, who is leading the delegation in Washington for talks aimed at
averting a trade war.

“The European Union has become very spoiled, other countries have become
very spoiled because they’ve always gotten 100 percent of whatever they
wanted from the United States,” Trump said.

Later he modified his comments, saying he believed the United States and
China would be happy with their trade relations because of his tough
approach.

Thursday’s face-to-face meeting with Liu shows Trump's great interest in “
trying to reach some remedies regarding unfair and illegal trading practices
," Larry Kudlow, director of the National Economic Council, told reporters
earlier. "That's what we want."

Heading into this week's meetings, China has indicated it would ease up on U
.S. agriculture if the Trump administration rolls back criminal penalties on
Chinese telecommunications giant ZTE - something Trump has already signaled
he is willing to do, despite protests from both Republican and Democratic
members of Congress.

Trump acknowledged he told Chinese President Xi Jinping he would look at
easing the current 7-year ban on ZTE doing business with American companies
after it was recently caught violating the terms of $1.19 billion penalty
agreement announced last year. But he also defended his administration’s
handling of the case.

“Don’t forget it was my administration, with my full knowledge, that put
very, very strong clamps on ZTE,” Trump said. “It wasn’t President Obama.
It wasn’t President Bush. It was me.”

However, the investigation that led to the record fine on ZTE was started
during the Obama administration, even though the penalty for making illegal
sales to Iran and North Korea was announced early in Trump’s tenure.

Obama administration officials said they spent two years making the case and
were prepared to impose a $1.3 billion fine, but the Trump administration
scaled it back.

“They did very bad things to our country. They did very bad things to our
economy,” Trump continued. “The one thing I will say they also buy a very
large portion of the parts for the phones that they make … from the United
States. That’s a lot of business.”

“But anything we do with ZTE [is] just a small component of the overall
deal,” Trump said. “I can only tell you this, we’re going to come out
fine with China. Hopefully, China’s going to be happy. I think we will be
happy.”

However, the House Appropriations Committee on Thursday unanimously approved
an amendment to keep the sanctions in place, in one of sign of the
difficulty Trump might have satisfying Xi on the issue.

Sen. Jeff Flake (R-Ariz.) also said Trump’s decision to use the sanctions
on ZTE as a bargaining chip in negotiations with China was “deeply
troubling.”

“In essence, ZTE has repeatedly engaged in malign activity by deliberately
misleading the government for years, all while attempting to deliver
American technologies into the hands of state-sponsors of terrorism,” Flake
said in a speech on the Senate floor.

Some observers fear that Trump — after promising to push for major changes
in China’s industrial policies that put American companies at a
disadvantage — is prepared now to settle for a short-term package aimed at
significantly reducing the U.S. trade deficit with China, which increased
last year to a record $375 billion.

Liu appears set to offer a two-year $200 billion-plus deficit reduction plan
focused heavily on purchases of U.S. farm goods and energy products, but
that would also shower dollars on as many as 20 other industry sectors, one
source familiar with the talks said.

“It’s shaping up to be the art of the bad deal," the source said. "The
impression is the administration is caving or folding its tent after revving
things up quite a bit."

Liu’s visit comes as the Trump administration is moving ahead with plans to
impose tariffs on around $50 billion worth of Chinese goods to pressure
Beijing to do more to stop theft of American intellectual property and to
change policies and practices that require U.S. companies to transfer
technology to do business in China.

China has responded to Trump's tariff threat by vowing to strike back by
raising duties on about $50 billion worth of agriculture, chemical and other
goods.

In addition, Beijing has already imposed duties on about $3 billion of U.S.
farm products, steel and other goods in response to Trump's decision to slap
an additional 25 percent duty on Chinese steel and 10 percent duty on
Chinese aluminum.

U.S. officials initially told the Chinese that they’d be open to granting
some relief from the pending tariffs in exchange for a commitment to reduce
the trade deficit with China by $200 billion over two years, an
administration official said Wednesday.

But the Chinese have countered with a proposal to buy $150 billion in U.S.
products instead, though the talks are still very much in flux, the official
said.

Neither the White House or the Treasury press office would comment on the
prospects for the two sides to reach a deal that primarily involves Beijing
writing a series of checks to make Trump happy, without addressing the
systemic issues that drove Trump to threaten tariffs.

However, Kudlow indicated the U.S. still had a substantive list of demands
it want Beijing to address.

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/05/17/trump-meeting-liu-he-china-595123















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另外,川普今天一再抱怨,中国要价太高,赚便宜太多,美国损失太大,他现在要扭转。








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中国买农产品能减低顺差,,,1500亿?

都是龙虾吧


【 在 dHb() 的大作中提到: 】
<br>: 另外,川普今天一再抱怨,中国要价太高,赚便宜太多,美国损失太大,他现在
要扭转。
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共产中国就是欠揍。贱
【 在 dHb () 的大作中提到: 】
: 另外,川普今天一再抱怨,中国要价太高,赚便宜太多,美国损失太大,他现在要扭
转。


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发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Thu May 17 18:56:32 2018, 美东)

你懂个屁,牛肉多的是,中国人都等着吃呢,你买啊!  天然气美国有的是,挖个井就
冒气,你要买多少?

我看见另外一个傻逼帖子了,说没有东西买。 要不你来和我谈,我马上和你签500亿美
元的牛肉单子。你能签嘛?




【 在 thex (耗子) 的大作中提到: 】
: 中国买农产品能减低顺差,,,1500亿?
: 都是龙虾吧
: <br>: 另外,川普今天一再抱怨,中国要价太高,赚便宜太多,美国损失太大,他现在
: 要扭转。
: <br>



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发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Thu May 17 19:01:03 2018, 美东)

小结:

大嘴即使拿了回扣也木有用, 国会不答应, ......
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发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Thu May 17 19:02:17 2018, 美东)

美国天然气偏贵,现在还要强卖给欧洲。
不过对中国来说,管道的供应量有限,大部分还是远洋运输,也差不多。


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发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Thu May 17 19:04:54 2018, 美东)

因为现在最终谈判结果没有落定,朝里朝外都在看着,川普现在也小心得很。 谁知道
美国这帮神仙媒体,国会那五六百人精,给你最后整出个什么西葫芦!






【 在 xhgm (xhgm) 的大作中提到: 】
: 小结:
: 大嘴即使拿了回扣也木有用, 国会不答应, ......



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发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Thu May 17 19:04:54 2018, 美东)

问题是中国不需要那些垃圾牛肉啊

比如美国5美元
回国得50人民币才挣钱
没人买

所以才是抢钱


【 在 dHb() 的大作中提到: 】
<br>: 你懂个屁,牛肉多的是,中国人都等着吃呢,你买啊!  天然气美国有的是,挖
个井就
<br>: 冒气,你要买多少?
<br>: 我看见另外一个傻逼帖子了,说没有东西买。 要不你来和我谈,我马上和你签
500亿美
<br>: 元的牛肉单子。你能签嘛?
<br>
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发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Thu May 17 19:07:33 2018, 美东)

建议:

鳖党赶快准备和给大嘴一样的礼品, 给每个国会议员一份. 只要堵住他们的嘴,我等屁
民翻不了天!中兴一定会 safe.

其实也不多,  暂且就算每人5个亿吧, 也不一定比船上的家产多多少, 呵呵...

该割的肉得割啊!
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扯淡,美国的低端牛肉根本不符合鳖国检疫标准,高端牛肉价格贵还没放血市场没人买

沃尔玛买的打折牛肉想出口中国没门,也不符合欧盟的检疫标准,只能毒害老美自己


【 在 dHb () 的大作中提到: 】
: 你懂个屁,牛肉多的是,中国人都等着吃呢,你买啊!  天然气美国有的是,挖个井就
: 冒气,你要买多少?
: 我看见另外一个傻逼帖子了,说没有东西买。 要不你来和我谈,我马上和你签500亿美
: 元的牛肉单子。你能签嘛?



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美国真的需要两党来回来去折腾好几个回合才能意识到对中帝逆差根本不是中帝的锅…

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用高温地沟油消毒哈, 不能吃吗?



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扯淡,美国的低端牛肉根本不符合鳖国检疫标准,高端牛肉价格贵还没放血市场没人买

沃尔玛买的打折牛肉想出口中国没门,也不符合欧盟的检疫标准,只能毒害老美自己
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发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Thu May 17 19:11:50 2018, 美东)

最搞笑的是扯来扯去又是奥巴马的锅,笑死我了哈哈哈哈

最后贸易战失败,根源就是奥巴马发起的中兴制裁有问题,哈哈哈哈哈
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中国的检疫标准?中国的奶粉给美国的狗吃卫生标准都不合格。完全是借口。

【 在 miejue (灭绝师太) 的大作中提到: 】
: 扯淡,美国的低端牛肉根本不符合鳖国检疫标准,高端牛肉价格贵还没放血市场没人买
: 沃尔玛买的打折牛肉想出口中国没门,也不符合欧盟的检疫标准,只能毒害老美自己


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发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Thu May 17 19:12:29 2018, 美东)

比俄罗斯的怎么样?  其实算下来一点都不贵! 就像小麦,中国宁肯去澳大利亚,阿
根廷去买,却不愿意从美国买; 玉米能从非洲和乌克兰买,也不从美国买; 牛肉从澳
大利亚买,羊肉从新西兰买,也不从美国买。 还说美国没有东西买? 你让人家怎么相
信你?



【 在 kuku (小黄猫) 的大作中提到: 】
: 美国天然气偏贵,现在还要强卖给欧洲。
: 不过对中国来说,管道的供应量有限,大部分还是远洋运输,也差不多。



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发信人: miejue (灭绝师太), 信区: Military
标  题: Re: 最新消息:谈判原则分歧曝光
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Thu May 17 19:12:52 2018, 美东)

根本没人买的东西,超市的美牛都打折到一折看看有没有人要



【 在 xhgm (xhgm) 的大作中提到: 】
: 用高温地沟油消毒哈, 不能吃吗?
: 发信人: miejue (灭绝师太), 信区: Military
: 标  题: Re: 最新消息:谈判原则分歧曝光
: 发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Thu May 17 19:09:00 2018, 美东)
: 扯淡,美国的低端牛肉根本不符合鳖国检疫标准,高端牛肉价格贵还没放血市场没人买
: 沃尔玛买的打折牛肉想出口中国没门,也不符合欧盟的检疫标准,只能毒害老美自己



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发信人: alexsung (Keep your feet on the ground.), 信区: Military
标  题: Re: 最新消息:谈判原则分歧曝光
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Thu May 17 19:16:11 2018, 美东)

看你就是地沟油的命,呵呵!!

【 在 xhgm (xhgm) 的大作中提到: 】
: 用高温地沟油消毒哈, 不能吃吗?
: 发信人: miejue (灭绝师太), 信区: Military
: 标  题: Re: 最新消息:谈判原则分歧曝光
: 发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Thu May 17 19:09:00 2018, 美东)
: 扯淡,美国的低端牛肉根本不符合鳖国检疫标准,高端牛肉价格贵还没放血市场没人买
: 沃尔玛买的打折牛肉想出口中国没门,也不符合欧盟的检疫标准,只能毒害老美自己



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标  题: Re: 最新消息:谈判原则分歧曝光
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Thu May 17 19:16:25 2018, 美东)

别扯蛋了!

还美国牛肉全世界卖,美国人天天吃,中国人民命贵,吃不得是不是? 

对了,美国的奶粉是牛奶头挤出来的, 全中国人民翻墙买,不怕给自己小孩吃了变成
疯牛?



【 在 miejue (灭绝师太) 的大作中提到: 】
: 扯淡,美国的低端牛肉根本不符合鳖国检疫标准,高端牛肉价格贵还没放血市场没人买
: 沃尔玛买的打折牛肉想出口中国没门,也不符合欧盟的检疫标准,只能毒害老美自己



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标  题: Re: 最新消息:谈判原则分歧曝光
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Thu May 17 19:16:28 2018, 美东)


中国牛肉至少没搞出过疯牛病

真以为美国肉有多安全?不光中国,欧盟也不要美国的低端美牛。这些宝贝都是留着
feed美帝自己的低端人口的,各个养的膀大腰圆出入轮椅

我也好心提醒版上的将军,能吃organic的多吃organic,要是实在刷盘子没钱就改吃素
吧。虽然organic也没放血,至少安全。猪肉问题比牛肉更多,美猪更是难以通过出口
检疫。


【 在 StockFuture (Option) 的大作中提到: 】
: 中国的检疫标准?中国的奶粉给美国的狗吃卫生标准都不合格。完全是借口。



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