发信人: Legendary (Foliage), 信区: USANews
标 题: an exchange with my teacher in Wisconsin
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Thu Feb 21 00:34:52 2008)
Don't get me wrong; I DO like Hillary - and Bill. I was quite happy when
they were in the White House and feel he/they were much abused by the whole
scandal thing. The Congress - a Republican Congress - tried to tear him to
shreds - and largely failed, though I am still VERY angry at what they did
to him. You and I are in perfect agreement about that.
We also agree that Hillary is a wonderful person, a wonderful candidate.
Frankly I feel sorry for her as I hate to see her hurt in any way.
Unfortunately, when people enter into any competition, they risk losing. It
's part of the deal - and she is, so far, losing. But she knew that was a
possibility going in.
I think the reason so many people are supporting Obama is because they feel
he is new, fresh, that he offers a new start, a different outlook, maybe
following rules that favor the little guy rather than the entrenched,
powerful ruling class. Hillary does have great politics, and I have no
doubt that she would be a good president. But the groundswell of support
for Obama is more, I think, a desire to regain power for the common person
than to shun Hillary.
I couldn't agree with you more that the last 8 years have been an utter
disaster for this country - and I can hardly wait until George Bush and his
ilk are out of the White House. I wish the Congress would impeach and
Cheney and even imprison them, for the damage they have done to this
country deserves no less. These men are, I feel, despicable in their
political/economic dealings on all fronts, and we should shun them. This,
unfortunately, is unlikely.
But anyone who is in any way even remotely connected to that administration
and ideology is suspect to many. Hillary voted for the law to allow credit
card companies to prevent debtors from claiming bankruptcy (big corporations
win once again, at the expense of the little guy), her campaign is largely
financed by large corporations, she was on the board of WAl-Mart.... Her
record is tainted in a way that Obama's doesn't seem to be.
This is not to say that Obama is in any way perfect. I suspect, too, that we
will see much that is reprehensible about him, too. (Aren't ALL
politicians significantly compromised?) But no matter how you cut it - he
seems less connected to the self-serving power mongers in Washington (
whether or not he is. Time will tell), and for this reason - among others,
people want him. They are tired of the same old thing - which Hillary in
some ways represents. So that's why people are voting for Obama. You can
blame George Bush for that.
Re: the Republican cross over, the effect doesn't seem to have been very
large - per the pundits. Mostly he won bcs of a broad support among all
groups of people - including women, whites and, especially important,
America's youth, who are really excited about taking back our country. He
represents possibility in a way that Hillary doesn't.
Also, the NYTimes endorsed Hillary. What hateful words are you talking
Finally, while there ARE many who dislike Hillary, I am not among them. I
was forced to make a pragmatic choice and made the one I thought would serve
the people best. For me it was almost a toss-up bcs I do like Hillary. I
just think we need a new group in the White House. (One BIG advantage of
Hillary, though, is that she is married to bill, whom I also like and
respect. His advice might be very helpful - though he certainly didn't help
her in the buildup to the S. Carolina primary when he was bashing Obama so
badly. He lost a lot of points among people who like and respect him.)
I do hope that your friends will see the light and vote for whoever the
Democratic candidate is. If Hillary wins, I will work and happily vote for
her. The same goes for Obama. I hope your friends will do the same. They
are both good candidates and each would make a good president.
----- Original Message -----
> Thank you for letting me know. I should have guessed what way you
> would have voted but I was possibly just in a self denial mode. My
> Asian friends here were simply in disbelief that the margin could be
> that big and so many of them doubt that possibly many REP voted for
> Obama due to their hate for Hillary since WI primary is an open
> primary. I could hardly believe there are so many hateful words in
> many comments in NYTIMES and WAPOST. I guess all the Asian friends
> come to state pretty late and we all had tremendous respect and
> fondness for Bill Clinton and Hillary, especially the way they came
> through all those turmoils. Interestingly although Chinese at the time
> were much more conservative then (not now), nobody really despised him
> for the scandal and everybody just said, "what a poor guy!", mainly
> because his charisma and what he has done so many good things.
> I wasn't sure about Hillary first. But I listened to her speech, her
> debate. I felt I like the person. She is warm and she is real. I also
> listened Obma's speech. It was grand, but you know what I was thinking
> at the time, I thought I could do that speech too but I am sure I was
> not up to the job. His demeanor might look cool to many, but few of my
> friends were that crazy about it. I think traditionally Asians prefer
> people who could do things, even silently, then people who could just
> talk. The culture especially has no place for people who could climb
> fast by just talking. The media simply just missed it as they tried to
> figure out what the reason why so many Asians voted for Hillary. Had
> the Washington had a primary, Hillary would have chance to win that
> state (as yesterday WA primary result showed) because there are so
> many Asians there. We all confused how could Americans be so easily
> bewildered. It is nothing about color as I think we will all
> swarm to vote for Powell if he were in ballots. On the other hand, I
> felt sorry for Bill that almost all blacks went Obama, blindly. The
> lack of appreciation was astounding. To me, it is unfair and
> I am in serious worry that America might get into more troubles. We
> all felt strongly the downward trend in the last 8 years, compared
> with the rest of the world. I believe we are getting into the wrong
> track again. I even doubt DEM could win back Whitehouse. From what I
> saw and heard, the party seems broken. I know our friends will not
> vote for Obama and many of them might even vote for McCain. What a pity!
> Let's see what we will get.
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