发信人: onetiemyshoe (onetiemyshoe), 信区: CivilSociety
标 题: Re: 选票上四两拨千斤。 2016准备好吧！
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Wed Nov 20 19:43:49 2013, 美东)
Some comments from a Taiwanese gal on facebook:
First, I'd like to say that in no way do I think China = CPP - that is
actually the point I was trying to make. When politicians criticize "China"
(they mean CCP policy or government and not the people) Criticism of China
is not something people should consider racist. Criticizing the Chinese
government (CCP) and its policies are often valid and these criticisms are
obviously going to be more prevalent during an election given the importance
of China-America economic/political relations.
There are many ignorant people in all countries - you should realize this.
If they act in irresponsible ways you cannot always blame political leaders.
There is individual responsibility.
For example when Chinese leaders condemn Japan it often leads to increased
Chinese nationalism and aggression or attacks on Japanese people, or
Japanese companies in China by ordinary Chinese citizens. Is this fair? Do
we blame China's leaders for this? Is it all their fault? Of course, you
will not say the Chinese government should not criticize Japan will you?
Is it not similar when US politicians criticize certain Chinese policies -
such as keeping the Chinese currency artificially low. China - criticizes
American QE policies too. It is tit-for-tat stuff. You refer to "China-
Bashing", I'd like to know exactly what criticism of China you think was
unfair or racist. Was it when Romney said he would name China as a "currency
manipulator"? Anything else?
I do not support Romney or Rumsfield or Bush or other leaders and criticize
a lot of American policies as you do. I do support their right to criticize
other countries policies though. Even if they are hypocrites, they can still
say what they want.
Correct me if I am wrong, but you seem to be dangerously close to saying
that no one can or should criticize China. It seems to me you are saying
criticizing China (China here means the Chinese Communist PArty Government
and its policies) = hating Chinese. This is a dangerous idea.
First, it seems to connect all Chinese to China. But many Chinese Americans
or other Chinese in the world have no connection at all with China - they
don't care about China and don't want anything to do with China - that is
their right. China is only an old cultural home - much the same way as many
Canadians or Americans have cultural connections to other countries but do
not identify with them now. Not all Chinese feel threatened at all when
China is criticized and certainly some agree very strongly with the
criticisms of China.
Second, connecting criticism of China to racism against Chinese in America
could lead to the suppression of legitimate criticism of the CCP and Chinese
You may argue against racism and stereotypes presented by politicians, but
not against legitimate criticism of government policies and actions.
"We want to create a world where China-bashing is for losers" ---- ok what
does this mean?
Please define "China-bashing" - this could be a euphamism for - "We want to
prevent all criticism of the CCP."
Indeed, this is what has happened with Israel and the Jewish lobby. Some
groups that strongly support Israel have worked very hard to equate
legitimate criticism of the Israeli government to Anti-semitism and hatred
against Jews, when these two things are very different. Criticizing and
opposing Israeli policies and actions does not = hating Jews. Unfortunately,
for many it does mean this and it has prevented legitimate discourse and
debate about Israeli policies.
I have no idea what you are trying to say about Obama not having to denounce
Kenya or Kennedy not having to denounce Ireland or the Catholic Church, or
Romney the Mormon church. What does this have to do with anything?
I agree with you about one thing. I also hope to see a world where nobody
would bat an eye for a Chinese-American Supreme court Justice or a Chinese
American President of the US (2016 and beyond). And I also agree they should
not HAVE TO criticize China to get elected, but if they CHOOSE to criticize
China - NO ONE should call them a "China-basher."
I hope to see a world where any Chinese American, or any American in fact,
can criticize Chinese (CCP) government policy and not be automatically
called a "China-basher" or be said to be "demonizing" China.
Criticism of China DOES NOT = criticizing Chinese.
Criticizing China DOES NOT = hatred of Chinese.
Denouncing China's government = denouncing your ancestry.
The government of China and the people of China are separate.
Chinese in China and Chinese outside or China are not necessarily connected.
All Chinese and China are not connected.
Not all Chinese have any sympathies for China.
Being Chinese DOES NOT mean you have to be proud of China or patriotic.
Maybe you want to have nothing to do with China at all. This is your right.
How about you also use the term "華人". There is no need to use the term 中
國同胞 OR 華僑同胞。Both of these imply a connection with China and perhaps
some patriotism. 同胞 is also a word most prevalently used by PRC Chinese
and often in a patriotic context. It will not give a bring a sense of
inclusion for all Chinese regardles of their political ideas .
I think 美國的華人 is better, don't you think?
It leaves out anything political and just describes the group as "Chinese in
America" or "American Chinese". The fight is against racism, bigotry and
ignorance. It is not a political battle to defend China and prevent
criticism of China.
It is best to focus on educating people that the Chinese of America are as
American as anyone else and deserve the same rights and opportunities.
There is also no need to get Jimmy Kimmel fired. It is clear his intention
was not to generate hate against Chinese. His niece and nephew are Chinese!
How can he hate Chinese?
It is better to forgive, but not forget.
Swan, are you not proud of Mr. Woo's accomplishment's as a Chinese American?
He has many great achievements, but you seem to really dislike him - why?
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